How Does the Particle's Velocity Change on the Roller Coaster Track?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving the velocity of a particle on a roller coaster track, specifically analyzing its motion from point B to point C. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, particularly energy conservation and motion along a curved path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of conservation of energy to find the particle's velocity at point B and question the assumptions regarding the shape of the track between points B and C. There are attempts to clarify the nature of the curve and the constraints on the particle's motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem's constraints and the nature of the track. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between height and velocity, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem statement lacks certain details, such as the exact nature of the curve and whether the particle is supported by the track. There is also mention of potential inconsistencies in the problem that could affect the calculations.

Celso
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Homework Statement
How can I find ##h_{2}## in terms of the other variables knowing that the horizontal distance between B and C is 10m? (the particle is initially at rest)
Relevant Equations
##E_{i} = E_{f}##
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I first found ##v_{B}## by ##E_{p,A,B} = mgh_{1} = E_{c, B} = \frac{1}{2}mv_{B}^2 \therefore v_{B} = \sqrt{2gh_{1}} ##
After this I made several failed attempts basically trying to find its final velocity so I could use conservation of energy. Spliting the velocity into its components never worked because the force in these components varies with the angle as it falls.
 
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Are we told anything else?
For example, is that curve supposed to be a cubic curve?

In the segment from B to C, is the particle supported by the track - or is it following a parabolic path?
 
That's all, as far as I know. This is actually an
.Scott said:
Are we told anything else?
For example, is that curve supposed to be a cubic curve?

In the segment from B to C, is the particle supported by the track - or is it following a parabolic path?
That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour
 
Celso said:
That's all, as far as I know. This is actually an

That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour

What are you trying to calculate? Why can't ##h_2## be any height you like?
 
Celso said:
That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour
There seem to only two constraints on the segment from B to C. The first is that the particle rests on the track, so the particle cannot fall any faster than if there was no track there. That would be a parabolic path and would give you a maximum value for h2.
The other constraint is that B appears to be an inflection point - with the path never again rising to meet the tangent line at point B. So at its highest, the B to C segment will follow just below that tangent line - giving the minimum value for h2.
 
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@Celso :
Could you show us the entire problem as presented in the book?
It appears to be written in Portugese.
 
.Scott said:
@Celso :
Could you show us the entire problem as presented in the book?
It appears to be written in Portugese.
yes, it's in portuguese. I don't have the file now (it's on my PC), apart from what I've written in my previous answer, it only asks to find:
•The velocity at B
•The x and y components of the velocity at B
•The height h2 knowing that the horizontal distance between B and C is 10m

The first two are elementar, maybe that's an indicator that there might be missing information
 
PeroK said:
What are you trying to calculate? Why can't ##h_2## be any height you like?
because if the problem is consistent (which I'm not sure), ##h_{2}## can be written as function of the other given variables
 
Celso said:
because if the problem is consistent (which I'm not sure), ##h_{2}## can be written as function of the other given variables

Unless the path from B to C is falling under gravity (no track), then there is no unique solution for the shape of the track from B to C, as @.Scott has said.
 

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