How Does the Quantum Harmonic Oscillator Allow Specific State Transitions?

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The discussion revolves around the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on state transitions facilitated by operators. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of these transitions, including the use of ladder operators and the construction of a specific operator that allows transitions between eigenstates.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to prove that the time derivative of the expectation value of an operator is proportional to the expectation value itself, suggesting the use of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation.
  • Another participant argues that a single raising or lowering operator only connects adjacent states, implying that a more complex operator is needed to connect states separated by multiple levels.
  • There is a suggestion that an operator of the form \( a^k + (a^\dagger)^k \) could facilitate transitions between states \( |n\rangle \) and \( |n \pm k\rangle \).
  • Further exploration includes the idea that operators can be constructed with arbitrary complex coefficients and combinations of raising and lowering operators to achieve the desired transitions.
  • A later reply raises a question about proving that the constructed operator \( Q_k \) commutes with the parity operator when \( k \) is even, seeking guidance on the proof process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the simplicity of the operator construction, with some suggesting straightforward solutions while others propose more complex alternatives. The discussion regarding the commutation with the parity operator remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the optimal form of the operator \( Q_k \) or the proof regarding its commutation with the parity operator. There are also unresolved assumptions about the implications of using different operator forms.

Kalidor
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Consider the usual 1D quantum harmonic oscillator with the typical hamiltonian in P and X and with the usual ladder operators defined.
i) I have to prove that given a generic wave function \psi, \partial_t < \psi (t) |a| \psi (t)> is proportional to < \psi (t) | a | \psi (t) > and determine their ratio.

Here I tried to express \psi(t) as an infinite sum of the eigenstates with time evolution operator applied to it but I think there must definitely be some less clumsy way.

ii) Construct an operator Q_k such that it only allows transitions between the states |n> and |n \pm k > (|n> being the nth eigenstate of the N operator).

In this question I really did not get why the answer couldn't just be a or a^_\dagger.

Thanks in advance
 
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In (i), I think you want to use the time-dependent Schroedinger equation to replace the time derivative, after noticing that the time derivative can be applied to the bra or the ket, so you get two terms there. The action of H means the the two terms always differ by the energy difference between a level and the next higher level, so that stays fixed even as n varies. That's why it ends up a proportionality, no matter how many n's are involved in the eigenvalue expansion.

For part (ii), a single raising or lowering operator only connects to either +1 or -1, not to both +1 and -1, let alone both +k and -k. It seems like you need a net raising by k, or a net lowering by k, in whatever operator you use. Is it as simple as ak+(adag)k?
 
Ken G said:
Is it as simple as ak+(adag)k?

Of course this is what I meant, sorry. So I turn the question back to you. Could the answer be so trivial?
 
Kalidor said:
Of course this is what I meant, sorry. So I turn the question back to you. Could the answer be so trivial?

yeah sure, that is an operator that connects those states. If they just want an operator in particular then that answer the question. Here's something to think about, though. For example, suppose k=1. Then your operator is

a + a^\dagger

but how about the operator

a + a^\dagger + a^2a^\dagger + a^5 (a^\dagger)^6

these also work, right? And in general can have arbitrary complex coefficients in front of each term.
 
olgranpappy said:
Here's something to think about, though. For example, suppose k=1. Then your operator is

a + a^\dagger

but how about the operator

a + a^\dagger + a^2a^\dagger + a^5 (a^\dagger)^6

these also work, right? And in general can have arbitrary complex coefficients in front of each term.

For the sake of completeness. I have to say there was one last question and it asked to prove that this operator Q_k commutes with the parity operator whenever k is even. How should I go about proving this even supposing my Q_k is simply a^k or (a^\dagger)^k. And would it be true?
 

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