How Does the Ruler and Hammer Balance Trick Defy Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a trick involving three hammers and three rulers, which some participants claim appears to defy the laws of physics as presented in a video. The conversation explores the mechanics behind the trick, focusing on concepts such as center of mass and mass distribution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the trick relies on the center of mass (COM) being supported, with the arrangement of hammers altering the mass distribution to keep the system balanced.
  • One participant argues that the claim of the trick disproving physics is sensationalized, implying that it does not actually violate physical laws.
  • Another participant notes that the trick can be replicated with one hammer and emphasizes that the second and third hammers must be lighter to maintain balance, indicating that the phenomenon is not fundamentally new.
  • There is a mention of a different demonstration that illustrates the same principle more clearly, suggesting that the trick's effectiveness may depend on the evenness of density in the objects used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the trick defies physics, with some asserting it aligns with physical principles while others question the sensational claims made in the video. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the trick on established physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the importance of mass distribution and center of mass in understanding the trick, but there are no detailed mathematical analyses or definitions provided that clarify these concepts further.

Newtonfalls
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Hi,

yesterday i saw this video on discovery channel.
<link to video deleted>
in the documentation it was said that this trick with the three hammers and
three rulers doesn´t match with actual laws of physics! does anyone can give more
information about this?
 
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Hi Newtonfalls,

Any object will escape falling over an edge as long as its centre of mass is supported. The position of the COM depends on the mass distribution within the object. It looks like the effect of adding the hammer is to alter this distribution. More specifically, it looks like the first hammer is added such that the centre of mass of the ruler-hammer system moves under the table where it is supported. A hammer is a useful object to do this because most of its mass is concentrated in one end. As long as all the hammers are arranged to keep enough mass far enough under the table so that more force pulls down into the table than into empty space, it should be possible to extend the system like in the video.

The idea of disproving all laws of physics seems like a bit of sensationalism on the part of the Discovery Channel, since I'm sure PF would be abuzz if that really were true :P
 
With one hammer, you can find the trick everywhere. The extension looks nice, but it is nothing fundamentally new. The second hammer has to be much lighter than the first one, and the third has to be much lighter than the second one, so all rulers stay balanced.

I changed the thread title. The experiment is well in agreement with physics, it just can look counterintuitive if you don't think about the mass distributions.
 
 
mfb said:
With one hammer, you can find the trick everywhere. The extension looks nice, but it is nothing fundamentally new. The second hammer has to be much lighter than the first one, and the third has to be much lighter than the second one, so all rulers stay balanced.

I changed the thread title. The experiment is well in agreement with physics, it just can look counterintuitive if you don't think about the mass distributions.

This demonstrates the same principle in a clearer fashion, where density is more even. It is also much more impressive in my book:
 
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I well remember Balance Goddess when it first appeared. Most impressive.
 

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