How does the tension in a pulley system change with different masses?

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The discussion revolves around a pulley system involving a ball and a rod, where the mass of the ball is greater than that of the rod. The problem seeks to understand the dynamics of the system, particularly how the tension in the ropes changes with different masses and the resulting motion of the ball and rod.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the masses of the ball and rod, questioning the implications of mechanical advantage and the direction of movement. Some express confusion over the concept of mechanical advantage and its relevance to the ball's motion.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants providing insights into the mechanics of the system. Clarifications regarding the relationship between the movements of the rod and ball are being discussed, though not all participants agree on the interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with the assumption that the masses of the pulleys and threads are negligible, and they are attempting to reconcile the stated conditions of the problem with their understanding of motion and tension in the system.

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In the arrangement shown in Fig. 1.18(see attachment) the mass of ball 1 is η=1.8 times as great as that of rod 2. The length of the latter is l = 100 cm. The masses of the pulleys and the threads, as well as the friction, are negligible. The ball is set on the same level as the lower end of the rod and then released. How soon will the ball be opposite the upper end of the rod?


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Well, i couldn't solve it so i had to peep into the solution. Here's the solution:
http://irodovsolutionsmechanics.blogspot.in/2007/08/irodov-problem-175.html

I don't quite understand the solution. It says that the ball goes up but that doesn't make sense to me. It is mentioned in the question that ball is heavier than the rod. The ball should move down as it is heavier. Please someone explain where i am going wrong.

Thanks!
 

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The rod has twice the mechanical advantage as the ball. If the rod moves down two inches the ball only moves up one inch. If the rod were half the mass as the ball the system would balance and there would be no movement. The movements of the rod and ball are correlated, the rod moves twice the distance as the ball.

Good luck!
 
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Hello Spinnor!
I don't understand what you mean by the term "mechanical advantage"? I understand when you said that the rod moves down two inches and the ball only moves up one inch but i can't see any relation of it with the ball's movement.
 
Suppose you hold the ball to keep it from moving. You can calculate what the tension is in the rope holding the ball. The tension in one rope is double the other. See below.
 

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Spinnor said:
Suppose you hold the ball to keep it from moving. You can calculate what the tension is in the rope holding the ball. The tension in one rope is double the other. See below.

Thanks a lot Spinnor, i understand it now! :smile:
 

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