How Does Thermal Expansion Affect the Density of Liquids?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of thermal expansion on the density of liquids, specifically examining the relationship between temperature changes and density variations. The original poster is attempting to derive the fractional change in density as a function of temperature change, using the coefficient of volumetric expansion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the derivation of the formula for fractional change in density, questioning the validity of approximations used in the calculations. Some express confusion regarding the significance of terms in the equations and the implications of large temperature changes.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on the use of approximations and the conditions under which the derived formula holds. There is acknowledgment of the need for clarification on assumptions regarding temperature changes.

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Some participants note that the original problem does not specify the size of the temperature change, which affects the applicability of the first order approximation in the derivation.

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Homework Statement
A liquid has a density ##\rho##.
Show that the fractional change in density for a change in temperature ##\Delta##T is
##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = -\beta \Delta T##
Relevant Equations
##\Delta V = \beta V \Delta T##
##\Delta V = \beta V \Delta T####\rho _2 = \frac m {V + \Delta V} = \frac { \rho V} {V(1+\beta \Delta T)} = \frac \rho {1+\beta \Delta T}##
##\Delta \rho = \rho _2 - \rho = \frac \rho {1+\beta \Delta T} - \rho = \rho (\frac 1 {1+\beta \Delta T} - 1) = \rho \frac {-\beta \Delta T} {1+\beta \Delta T}##

##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = \frac {-\beta \Delta T} {1+\beta \Delta T}##

I can't figure out were I make the mistake...
It should be:
##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = -\beta \Delta T##
 
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EEristavi said:
Homework Statement: A liquid has a density ##\rho##.
Show that the fractional change in density for a change in temperature ##\Delta##T is
##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = -\beta \Delta T##
Homework Equations: ##\Delta V = \beta V \Delta T##

##\Delta V = \beta V \Delta T####\rho _2 = \frac m {V + \Delta V} = \frac { \rho V} {V(1+\beta \Delta T)} = \frac \rho {1+\beta \Delta T}##
##\Delta \rho = \rho _2 - \rho = \frac \rho {1+\beta \Delta T} - \rho = \rho (\frac 1 {1+\beta \Delta T} - 1) = \rho \frac {-\beta \Delta T} {1+\beta \Delta T}##

##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = \frac {-\beta \Delta T} {1+\beta \Delta T}##

I can't figure out were I make the mistake...
It should be:
##\frac {\Delta \rho} {\rho} = -\beta \Delta T##
There is no mistake, you just need to take the first order approximation.
The ΔT in the denominator is insignificant compared with the 1 in the denominator.
 
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haruspex said:
There is no mistake, you just need to take the first order approximation.
The ΔT in the denominator is insignificant compared with the 1 in the denominator.

##\Delta T## or ##\beta? ##
Because as I think ##\Delta T## Can me "big"

Also,
Can you give me some direction: where I can look it up - Why I can discard that value in denominator?
I know I will find it eventually, but I would appreciate it if you could help me spare some time

P.S. I kind of tried to expand this as a Tailor (maclaurin) Series, but was't satisfied with the answer..
 
EEristavi said:
Because as I think ΔT Can me "big"
It can be, but the expression you are asked to derive for change in density is not valid for large changes in temperature.
E.g. consider a temperature gain so great that the volume doubles. βΔT=1. What does that give for the new density, according to the target formula?
 
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I think an easy approach is to simply differentiate the fundamental relationship between volume, mass and density.

##m = \rho V\tag{1} \rightarrow V = m \rho^{-1}##

If we differentiate this for a unit of mass:

##dV = -m\rho^{-2} d \rho \tag{2}##

Now simply plug (1) and (2) into the relation

##d V = \beta V d T \tag{3}##

Your desired equation immediately results.
 
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haruspex said:
What does that give for the new density, according to the target formula?

It would be impossible to use first order approximation - so answer will be "my formula"?
 
EEristavi said:
It would be impossible to use first order approximation - so answer will be "my formula"?
The question should have specified that βΔT is small. You are expected to use the first order approximation.
 
Thanks all
 

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