How Does Time Evolution Affect Operator Expectation Values in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the time evolution of operator expectation values in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the expression involving the Hamiltonian operator and a time-dependent potential. Participants are exploring the implications of the Hamiltonian's action on quantum states and the mathematical treatment of operator exponentials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the Hamiltonian and the time evolution operator, questioning how the eigenvalue equation leads to the time evolution of states. There is also discussion about the treatment of the potential operator in the context of the time evolution operator and the implications of treating it as a c-number versus an operator.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical framework and questioning the validity of certain approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Taylor series expansion and the insertion of complete sets, although there is no explicit consensus on the correct method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the integration variable in the context of the integral representation of quantum states, and participants are grappling with the implications of treating the potential as either a number or an operator.

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Homework Statement


i know that
[itex]H |n> = \varepsilon_n |n>[/itex]
[itex]H |i> = \varepsilon_i |i>[/itex]

and i want to estimate
[itex]< n | e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) e^{-i H t / \hbar} |i>[/itex]

Homework Equations



[itex]<\psi | \varphi> = \int \psi^*(q) \varphi(q) dq[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



i don't understand well how the operator interacts with the wave function... I'm pretty sure that the right solution is

[itex]< n | e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) e^{-i H t / \hbar} |i> = \int{ \left(n e^{- i H t / \hbar}\right)^* V e^{-i \varepsilon_i t / \hbar}} i = \int n^* e^{i \varepsilon_n t / \hbar} V e^{-i \varepsilon_f t / \hbar} i= <n | V(t) | i> e^{i \frac{\varepsilon_n - \varepsilon_i}{\hbar}t}[/itex]

but I'm not sure about "why is this the right way to do this" ... for example i don't know why [itex]H |n> = \varepsilon_n |n>[/itex] implies [itex]e^{iHt / \hbar} |n> = e^{i \varepsilon_n t / \hbar } |n>[/itex]... or why this way to do is wrong:

[itex]< n | e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) e^{-i H t / \hbar} |i> = \int \left(n e^{i H t / \hbar}\right)^* e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) i = \int n^* V(t) i = <n|V(t)|i>[/itex]

(i didn't put the "dq" in the integral because i don't know in which variable i should integrate)
if someone can explain me why this is the right way to do this expression i'll be happy.
 
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mahblah said:
for example i don't know why [itex]H |n> = \varepsilon_n |n>[/itex] implies [itex]e^{iHt / \hbar} |n> = e^{i \varepsilon_n t / \hbar } |n>[/itex]
Expand the exponential into Taylor series, then operate term-by-term, then recombine.

... or why this way to do is wrong:

[itex]< n | e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) e^{-i H t / \hbar} |i> = \int \left(n e^{i H t / \hbar}\right)^* e^{i H t / \hbar} V(t) i = \int n^* V(t) i = <n|V(t)|i>[/itex]
If [itex]V(t)[/itex] is just a c-number, you can just pull it out, which then makes the problem trivial. So I am guessing that [itex]V(t)[/itex] is an operator, in which case, you cannot commute it with the exponential on the right.
 
...thanks mathfeel!
 
mahblah said:
(I didn't put the "dq" in the integral because i don't know in which variable I should integrate.)
If someone can explain me why this is the right way to do this expression, I'll be happy.
When you calculate an amplitude, the integral comes from inserting a complete set[tex]\int dq\,\lvert q \rangle\langle q \rvert = \mathbf{1}[/tex] to get
\begin{align*}
\langle \phi \vert \psi \rangle &= \langle \phi \vert \left(\int dq\,\lvert q \rangle\langle q \rvert\right) \vert \psi \rangle \\
&= \int dq\,\langle \phi \vert q \rangle\langle q | \psi \rangle
\end{align*}
Then using the fact that [itex]\langle\phi\vert q\rangle = \phi^*(q)[/itex] and [itex]\langle q\vert\psi\rangle = \psi(q)[/itex], you obtain[tex]\langle \phi \vert \psi \rangle = \int dq\,\phi^*(q) \psi(q)[/tex]
Note that the bra and ket are related to but are not exactly the same thing as the wave functions. The wave function is the representation of ket relative to some basis.

In this problem, you never need to introduce a complete set and get an integral. Just work with the kets. There's no need to use the wave functions.
 

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