How Does Viscosity Affect Motion in a Fluid?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass falling through a liquid with a retarding force that varies with time due to viscosity. The original poster is tasked with finding the speed, acceleration, and distance fallen at a specific time, t=1, while grappling with the implications of the forces acting on the mass.

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  • Participants explore different formulations of the equations of motion, questioning the correct representation of forces and the signs associated with them. There is a discussion about using second-order and first-order differential equations to approach the problem.

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Several participants have offered guidance on how to handle the constants in their equations and suggested methods such as integrating factors to solve the differential equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of initial conditions and the relationships between velocity, acceleration, and displacement.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct setup of the equations and the interpretation of forces, particularly regarding the direction of the retarding force relative to gravity. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


A mass M falls under gravity (force mg) through a liquid with decreasing viscosity so that the retarding force is -2mv/(1+t). If it starts from rest, what is the speed, acceleration, and distance fallen at time t=1.

Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


F = 2mv/(1+t) - mg
F = m[- g + 2v/(1+t)]
ma = m[-g + 2v/(1+t)]
a = -g + 2v/(1+ t)

At this point, I see two paths to a solution, and I don't know which is correct.
I can let a=x'', v=x'
x'' - (2/(1+ t)) x' = -g
where the solution according to mathmatica is (I'm not sure how to solve this exactly, my guess is to use frobenius)
x =1/3 - C1 T^3 + 1/2(2 C1 + g) T^2 + g T + C1 T + C2

or I can let
a=v'
v' = -g + 2v/(1+ t)
v' - 2v/(1+ t)= -g
Where the solution would be
v = (1 + t) (C1 t + C1 + g) - Edit (I see this solution might be wrong, checking now)

I'm not sure which is the correct result, and I am concerned about the units on each,
 
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dykuma said:
a=v'
v' = -g + 2v/(1+ t)
I would prefer this.
But I think the equation should be
F=mg-2v/(1+t).
Negative sign of the retarding force indicates that it is directed opposite to the gravity.
 
cnh1995 said:
I would prefer this.
But I think the equation should be
F=mg-2v/(1+t).
Negative sign of the retarding force indicates that it is directed opposite to the gravity.
I see, I was thinking in terms of gravity pulling down, retarding force pushing up.
 
Okay, flipping the signs around I get the following:
a = g - 2v/(1+ t)
let a=v'
v' = g - 2v/(1+ t)
v' + 2v/(1+ t) = g
upload_2016-10-31_13-14-51.png

Does this look correct? And what should I do with this constant C?
 

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dykuma said:
I see, I was thinking in terms of gravity pulling down, retarding force pushing up.
I think that won't make any difference as long as both the forces are directed opposite to each other.
 
dykuma said:
v' + 2v/(1+ t) = g
I believe this could be solved using the integrating factor method.
If dy/dx+Py=Q, the integrating factor I=e∫Pdx. Look up this method.
 
cnh1995 said:
I believe this could be solved using the integrating factor method.
If dy/dx+Py=Q, the integrating factor I=e∫Pdx. Look up this method.
I did that, and I got a solution that matched the more complicated case of us x''=a, x'=v.
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The problem now Is that I am unsure of what to do with those constants.
 
dykuma said:
I did that, and I got a solution that matched the more complicated case of us x''=a, x'=v.
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The problem now Is that I am unsure of what to do with those constants.
First find the solution for v as a function of time. Here, you will have only one constant. Use the initial condition i.e. v=0 at t=0 to get this constant. So you'll have a complete v vs t relationship. Now differentiate it w.r.t time and put t=1 to get the acceleration at t=1 and integrate v(t) w.r.t time from t=0 to t=1 to get the displacement. I don't think you need three constants for this.
 
cnh1995 said:
First find the solution for v as a function of time. Here, you will have only one constant. Use the initial condition i.e. v=0 at t=0 to get this constant. So you'll have a complete v vs t relationship. Now differentiate it w.r.t time and put t=1 to get the acceleration at t=1 and integrate v(t) w.r.t time from t=0 to t=1 to get the displacement. I don't think you need three constants for this.

Oh my god, I'm such and Idiot. I don't know why I didn't see that before!

Thanks!
 

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