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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance between two point charges of 75.0 nC that exert a force of 1.00 N on each other, utilizing Coulomb's Law. Participants are exploring the implications of the formula and the values involved in the calculation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the formula for Coulomb's Law to find the distance between the charges. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of scientific notation and the units involved, particularly concerning the conversion of nanocoulombs to coulombs and the implications of the constants used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants questioning the accuracy of their calculations and the values of constants. Some have provided clarifications on the definitions of units and the relationships between charge and the number of elementary charges, while others express confusion about the calculations and seek further clarification.

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There are discussions about the correct interpretation of units and the values of constants, with some participants noting discrepancies in their calculations. The conversation reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the application of Coulomb's Law and the conversion of units.

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1. How far apart must two point charges of 75.0 nC be to have a force of 1.00 N between them?

Homework Equations

F = k Q1Q2/r2[/B]3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
r2= 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/1N
r2= 9*75*75e-10
r2= 5.0625e-7
r= square root of 5.0625 * square root of e-7

if this is right so far then i just have an
algebra issue, what is the square root of e-7? can it be e-3.5?, if so, what is the value of e-3.5?

 
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e-7 means 1x10^(-7) so you are right sqrt(e-7)= e-3,5
 
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snowjoe said:
1. How far apart must two point charges of 75.0 nC be to have a force of 1.00 N between them?

Homework Equations

F = k Q1Q2/r2[/B]3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
r2= 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/1N
r2= 9*75*75e-10
r2= 5.0625e-7
r= square root of 5.0625 * square root of e-7

if this is right so far then i just have an
algebra issue, what is the square root of e-7? can it be e-3.5?, if so, what is the value of e-3.5?
You also need to include the units for r .
 
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snowjoe said:
3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
Better check your value of k. And Q.
nano = 10-9, not 10-10.
 
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rude man, isn't an nC a C/e9? which gives nC as 1.6 * e (19-9) 10? value of k i am using 9 as approximation, good enough, k= 9.0 e9
 
snowjoe said:
rude man, isn't an nC a C/e9? which gives nC as 1.6 * e (19-9) 10? value of k i am using 9 as approximation, good enough, k= 9.0 e9
Where does 1.6 come from?
 
a Coulomb i take is 1.6 X e19 units of charge
 
i grow confuseder, this radius is in meters, no? yet i'mgetting values that are out of the realm of possibility. square the point charges, which are nC, which is on the order of e10, so squared, e20. multiply this by k, which is on the order of e9, getting e29, so the square root of this is the r? That still gives e14.5, in meters, pretty sure no force exists between these charges at several trillion meters. obviously I've gone awry, where?
 
snowjoe said:
i grow confuseder, this radius is in meters, no? yet i'mgetting values that are out of the realm of possibility. square the point charges, which are nC, which is on the order of e10,
1 nC = 10-9 C. C (coulomb) is the unit of charge, you mix it with the elementary charge, which is 1.6 `10-19 C.
 
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snowjoe said:
a Coulomb i take is 1.6 X e19 units of charge
A single electron has a charge of -1.6×10-19 Coulombs .

A single proton has a charge of 1.6×10-19 Coulombs .

These values have nothing to do with your stated problem.
 
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then my problem is the relationship between electrons/protons and Coulombs. How would one calculate the number of e/p in a fraction of a Coulomb, such as one billionth, a nC?
 
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snowjoe said:
then my problem is the relationship between electrons/protons and Coulombs. How would one calculate the number of e/p in a fraction of a Coulomb, such as one billionth, a nC?
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
thank you.
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
so, a billionth of a Coulomb is 1.6e-10, and a billionth of the particles in a Coulomb is 6.25e-9?
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
N(1.6e-19)=e-9
N=e-9C/1.6e-19C = 6.25e9 = nC ??

then what is the flaw in calculating a nC by dividing C by n, as 1.6e19/e9 = 1.6e10
 
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snowjoe said:
N(1.6e-19)=e-9
N=e-9C/1.6e-19C = 6.25e9 = nC ??

then what is the flaw in calculating a nC by dividing C by n, as 1.6e19/e9 = 1.6e10
The question asks force between two point charges.

There is NO mention of how many electrons or how many protons are involved.

Use Coulomb's Law.
 
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Thanks, SS, But I'm asking about the math, where did i go wrong in calculating a nC by dividing 1.6e19 by e9?
 
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snowjoe said:
Thanks, SS, But I'm asking about the math, where did i go wrong in calculating a nC by dividing 1.6e19 by e9?
Forget the 1.6×10-19, 1.6×1019, etc. The charge of an electron has nothing to do with this.

nano is a prefix for metric units. nano means 10-9.

1 Coulomb is the basic unit of charge in the SI system of units. It is NOT the charge of an electron or proton.

1 nano-Coulomb is 1×109 Coulombs.
 
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is it not true that in a Coulomb there are 1.6 e19 units of charge, this unit of charge being the charge carried by one electron or proton?
 
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snowjoe said:
is it not true that in a Coulomb there are 1.6 e19 units of charge, this unit of charge being the charge carried by one electron or proton?
Yes that's true, but that fact is not needed anywhere in using Coulomb's Law.
 

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