How far from the end of the pier are you?

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The problem involves calculating the center of mass of a system consisting of a person and a raft, with specific distances from a pier being considered. The scenario includes a 6.0m long raft, the mass of the raft, and the mass of the person, while neglecting friction between the raft and the water.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the center of mass formula and question the correctness of the calculations provided. There is an exploration of how to define the reference point for measuring distances from the pier and the implications of that choice on the calculations.

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Some participants have offered alternative interpretations of the center of mass formula, suggesting adjustments to account for the position relative to the pier. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and positions of the masses involved in the calculations.

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There is a noted uncertainty regarding the positions of the "particles" in the context of the problem, as well as the reference point for measuring distances. Participants are also considering the implications of their assumptions on the calculations.

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1. You are standing at the very rear of a 6.0m long, 120kg raft that is at rest in a lake with its prow only .5m from the end of the pier. Your mass is 60kg. Neglect friction between the raft and the water. A) How far from the end of the pier is the center of mass of the you-raft system? B) You walk to the front of the raft and then stop. How far from the end of the pier is the center of mass now? C) When you are at the front of the raft, how far from the end of the pier are you?



2. xcm= (m2*d)/(m2+m1)
where m1 and m2 are mass one and mass two, xcm is center of mass, and d is the difference in position of the particles.



3.A) By defining the pier as the origin and then I find the following equation. xcm= 60kg(5.5m)/180kg= 1.833m from the pier B) 60kg(0)/180kg = 0 C) .5m
I thought I had A) and C) right, but B) makes me second guess myself. What did I miss here?
 
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dch1runs said:
2. xcm= (m2*d)/(m2+m1)
where m1 and m2 are mass one and mass two, xcm is center of mass, and d is the difference in position of the particles.


The formula for xcm is wrong. You need to determine xcm with respect to the end of the pier.


ehild
 
Should it be xcm= (m2*d)/(m2+m1) + .5?
 
dch1runs said:
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2. xcm= (m2*d)/(m2+m1)
where m1 and m2 are mass one and mass two, xcm is center of mass, and d is the difference in position of the particles.


This is the distance of the CM from the first particle if there are two particles d distance apart.

What are the "particles" in this case, and what are their positions?

ehild
 

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