How Far Will Springs Compress Under Load?

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The discussion revolves around the compression of springs under a load, specifically analyzing a system with two springs and a total weight of 2250 N from sacks. The problem involves understanding the relationship between force, spring constant, and displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate spring compression, including energy methods and Hooke's law. There are questions about the meaning of "one system" and the interpretation of the compression value.

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Participants have provided various approaches to the problem, including using energy equations and Hooke's law. Some have clarified the configuration of the springs, while others are questioning the assumptions and interpretations of the results. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or interpretation yet.

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Participants discuss the configuration of the springs, noting that they are in parallel and questioning the implications of this setup on the calculations. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the total compression versus individual spring compression.

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Given: Load of sacks have total weight of 2250 N and each sack weighs 225 N, how far will each of 2 springs in one system be compressed (spring coeff = 2200 N/m) when a sack is put on it?


Energy init +work=final Energy

2250=1/2(4400)x^2
1.02=x^2
x=1.01

Not sure where to go from here.
 
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Mebmt said:
Given: Load of sacks have total weight of 2250 N and each sack weighs 225 N, how far will each of 2 springs in one system be compressed (spring coeff = 2200 N/m) when a sack is put on it?

Energy init +work=final Energy
I wouldn't use energy. There is another (even simpler) spring relation that I would use. BTW, I don't know what the problem means by "one system".
 
Then using Us=1/2kx^2
I have 1/2(2200)x^2=2250
x=1.43

One system meaning that there are 2 springs working identically to each other.
 
Is there a reason why you can't use Hooke's law?



Mebmt said:
One system meaning that there are 2 springs working identically to each other.
I still don't know what that means.
 
Using Hooke's law Fs=-kx
2250N=(-2200N/m)x
x=1.02m
1.02m/2 springs =0.5 m
 
Mebmt said:
2250N=(-2200N/m)x
x=1.02m
What is the meaning of this x value? Can you interpret it physically?
 
The x value is the total amount that the springs would be compressed by a force of 2250 N.
 
Mebmt said:
The x value is the total amount that the springs would be compressed by a force of 2250 N.
And is that the condition that the problem is asking for?
 
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I didn't post the picture of the springs. It shows them as being parallel to each other with a platform on top. Sorry. My bad. I should be using them together. The link helped as well.

Now, using Fspring=-kx
2250=(-)(2200+2200)x
x=0.5 m
 
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Mebmt said:
Now, using Fspring=-kx
2250=(-)(2200+2200)x
x=0.5 m
I ask again, is that the x that the problem is asking for? Hint: it has the same interpretation as the last time I asked.
 
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Yes, they are asking for x.
 
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Mebmt said:
Yes, they are asking for x.
Nope.
 

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