How Fast Can Electro-Fiasco I Travel 1 km from Rest?

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The problem involves a sportscar, Electro-Fiasco I, which accelerates uniformly to a speed of 100 km/h in 3.5 seconds and has a maximum braking rate of 0.7g. The objective is to determine the minimum time required to travel a distance of 1 km, starting and ending at rest.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations of motion (SUVAT) relevant to the problem, with one participant attempting to derive a formula for the total time taken based on acceleration and deceleration phases.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the derived equations and the placement of subscripts for acceleration variables.
  • Others suggest using a velocity-time diagram to visualize the problem and verify reasoning without relying solely on algebraic equations.
  • There is a request for confirmation on whether a specific formula is correct and if there are alternative methods to approach the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's equations and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of diagrams and alternative approaches, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the calculations or the derived formula.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the acceleration values and their implications for the equations used. There is also mention of the complexity of calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


A sportscar, Electro-Fiasco I, can accelerate uniformly to 100 km/h in 3.5 s. Its maximum braking rate cannot exceed 0.7g. What is the minimum time required to go 1 km, assuming it begins and ends at rest?

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The Attempt at a Solution


I think that I solved the problem, but I want some confirmation before I go with my solution.

Let ##r_m## be the point at which the car begins to decelerate.
Let ##r_f## be the final point. = 1000 m
Let ##a_i## be the beginning acceleration. = 7.93 m/s^2
Let ##a_f## be the final acceleration. -0.7g

First I derived the following three equations:

1. ##r_m = \frac{1}{2} a_f t_m^2##
2. ##r_f - r_m = (a_f t_m)t_f - \frac{1}{2}(a_i) t_f^2##
3. ##t_m = \frac{a_i}{a_f}t_f##

Then I combined these to find the following expression ##\displaystyle t_f = \sqrt{\frac{r_f}{\frac{1}{2} a_i + \frac{a_f^2}{2 a_f}}}##

I then plugged all my numbers into find that final time is 12.5
Then the initial time is 10.82

And so we add these together to find the minimum time 23.32 seconds.

I need a sanity check. Is this the right answer?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
1. ##r_m = \frac{1}{2} a_f t_m^2##
2. ##r_f - r_m = (a_f t_m)t_f - \frac{1}{2}(a_i) t_f^2##
3. ##t_m = \frac{a_i}{a_f}t_f##

Then I combined these to find the following expression ##\displaystyle t_f = \sqrt{\frac{r_f}{\frac{1}{2} a_i + \frac{a_f^2}{2 a_f}}}##
Your approach looks good, but it appears that you have some of the subscripts on the accelerations switched in all of the above equations.

I then plugged all my numbers into find that final time is 12.5
Then the initial time is 10.82

And so we add these together to find the minimum time 23.32 seconds.
I believe these values for the times are correct.
 
Is ##\displaystyle t_f = \sqrt{\frac{r_f}{\frac{1}{2} a_i + \frac{a_i^2}{2 a_f}}}## the correct formula?

Also, is there a better way to do this problem? All of the calculations gave me a headache...
 
Verify your reasoning with a velocity-time diagram.
That way you do not need to rely on getting the right equations: everything boils down to geometry of triangles.

You are saying that at time ##t_m## the car is at displacement ##r_m## from the origin, and starts to decelerate ... so the acceleration changes from ##a_i## to ##-a_f## this right?
So for ##0<t<t_m##, the acceleration is ##a_i## ?
Is that what eq1 says?

Check derivation for the others too.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Verify your reasoning with a velocity-time diagram.
That way you do not need to rely on getting the right equations: everything boils down to geometry of triangles
Nice!
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Is ##\displaystyle t_f = \sqrt{\frac{r_f}{\frac{1}{2} a_i + \frac{a_i^2}{2 a_f}}}## the correct formula?
Looks like the subscripts on the accelerations are incorrect. It appears that when you are setting up your equations, you are taking ##a_i## to be the final acceleration and ##a_f## to be the initial acceleration.

Also, is there a better way to do this problem? All of the calculations gave me a headache...
Simon has a clever approach.

Or you can try to see if invoking the equation ##v_2^2 = v_1^2 + 2a\Delta x## helps shorten the calculation.
 

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