How Fast is the Distance Between Two Ships Changing at 4:00 P.M.?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two ships, with one sailing east and the other sailing north, and seeks to determine how fast the distance between them is changing at a specific time. The context is rooted in related rates and geometry within the subject area of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using geometry and related rates to find the rate of change of distance. There are attempts to apply relative velocity concepts, with some questioning the validity of their setup and calculations. Others explore the implications of using different coordinate systems and the nature of relative motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods and questioning their assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of relative motion, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the initial setup and the assumptions made regarding the motion of the ships. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the application of relative motion laws in this context.

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Homework Statement



At noon, ship A is 150 km west of ship B. Ship A is sailing east
at 35 km
h and ship B is sailing north at 25 km
h. How fast is
the distance between the ships changing at 4:00 P.M.?

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The Attempt at a Solution


I did it using geometry and related rates and got 21.5 which was the answer
but I when I try to do it using relative velocity it doesn't work:
I am taking the first ship initial location as the origin
rai=0
rbi=150i
ra=0+35ti
rb=150i+25tj
ra/b=a/g +ag/b
ra/b=0+35ti - 150i+25tj
ra/b=(35t-150)i + 25tj
dr(a/b) /dt = 35i+25j
and the magnitude is the way more than 21.5
I feel like I am doing something really wrong or setup the problem wrong.
 
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hi madah12! :smile:

suppose that a is stationary at (0,0), and b is at cosθti + sinθtj …

then using your method dr/dt = sinθti - cosθtj,

which is not the same as d|r|/dt, is it? :wink:
 
oh yes I see d|r|/dt = 0 right cause |r|= 1 for all t? but then does the relative motion law holds for distances if not then I can't solve this problem using relative motion?
Edit
but we can still say that |s|= dD/dt = d ((25t)^2 + (150-35t)^2)^1/2 /dt right?
 
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madah12 said:
but we can still say that |s|= dD/dt = d ((25t)^2 + (150-35t)^2)^1/2 /dt right?

(have a square-root: √ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

right! :smile:
 

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