How fast is the skier going just before she lands?

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The problem involves an extreme skier who starts from rest and coasts down a slope before jumping off a cliff. The discussion centers around calculating her speed just before landing, considering factors such as the angle of the slope, friction, and the vertical distance fallen.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations related to the skier's speed and the components of velocity. There is mention of using energy conservation as an alternative approach to find the final speed. Questions arise about the necessity of the x-component of velocity during free fall and the interpretation of energy conservation in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy conservation, but there is still confusion about the role of velocity components and the application of these concepts.

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Participants are navigating the implications of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the skier's motion, as well as the effects of friction on her speed prior to the jump.

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An extreme skier, starting from rest, coasts down a mountain that makes an angle 25.0° with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction between her skis and the snow is 0.200. She coasts for a distance of 13.4 m before coming to the edge of a cliff. Without slowing down, she skis off the cliff and lands downhill at a point whose vertical distance is 3.20 m below the edge. How fast is she going just before she lands?

W= Fn*13.4

Fn*13.4= .5mv^2

(mg sin25 - (.200)(mg cos25))(13.4)= .5mv^2

(g sin25 - (.200)(g cos25))(13.4)= .5v^2

((9.8) sin25 - (.200)((9.8) cos25))(13.4)= .5v^2

31.6949624131 = .5v^2

2(31.6949624131) = v^2

sqrt (63.3899248261) = v

7.96177899882 = v
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Vy= 7.96177899882 (sin25)

Vy= 3.36479320085
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Vy = sqrt (3.36479320085^2 + 2(-9.8)(-3.2))

Vy = 8.604756 m/s
 
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I didn't check your calculations, but it looks like you calculated the y-component of the final velocity. What happened to the x-component?

Tip: No need to find components of the velocity; you can use energy conservation to find the final speed.
 
do I need the x? Because once it goes into free fall it is only accelerating in the y direction.

"you can use energy conservation to find the final speed"
I am confused by what you mean.
 
ussjt said:
do I need the x? Because once it goes into free fall it is only accelerating in the y direction.
You are correct that only the y-component will accelerate, but the x-component of the velocity is needed to find the total velocity at the bottom. (It's just v^2 = v_x^2 + v_y^2.)

"you can use energy conservation to find the final speed"
I am confused by what you mean.
At the point that the skier leaves the cliff, she has a speed (which you figured out) and thus a kinetic energy. She also has gravitational PE compared to her landing point. Energy is conserved as she falls. (Gravitational PE is converted to KE as she falls.)
 

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