How hard is it to switch fields?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations involved in switching fields within the sciences, particularly for individuals with a Ph.D. in theoretical physics. Participants explore the feasibility of transitioning to other areas of physics or entirely different fields such as bioengineering, chemistry, and engineering, especially in the context of funding availability and job market conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that switching fields can be feasible, especially if the new field values the skills acquired in the original field, as noted by a participant who transitioned from experimental condensed matter physics to accelerator physics.
  • Others argue that the ease of switching depends on the demand for specific skills in the new field, with some fields being more open to interdisciplinary candidates than others.
  • A participant mentions that while it is possible to switch fields, the transition may require significant effort to catch up on new concepts and skills.
  • Concerns are raised about the saturation of postdoc positions during economic downturns, suggesting that competition may be fierce for candidates from different backgrounds.
  • Some participants highlight that the timing of graduation relative to economic conditions can impact the ability to switch fields, with booms potentially offering more opportunities than recessions.
  • There is a suggestion that developing a marketable skill set early in one's career may be more beneficial than relying on the possibility of switching fields later.
  • One participant shares their experience of transitioning from academia to industry, noting that while the job search was manageable, the psychological adjustment was challenging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the difficulty of switching fields, with no consensus on a definitive answer. Some believe it is manageable under certain conditions, while others emphasize the challenges and uncertainties involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the success of switching fields may depend on various factors, including the specific skills required in the new field, the current job market, and the individual's ability to adapt and learn new concepts. There is also mention of the temporary nature of job shortages in science, which complicates planning for a switch.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for graduate students and early-career scientists considering a transition to different fields, as well as those interested in understanding the dynamics of job markets in science and academia.

  • #31
twofish-quant said:
Postdocs are much, much harder to get than high paying industry jobs.

That's not what the latest AIP initial employment statistics say. 56% of freshly minted PhDs took postdocs and 20% (62% x 33%) took jobs in industry (at ~2x what postdocs made).
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Vanadium 50 said:
That's not what the latest AIP initial employment statistics say. 56% of freshly minted PhDs took postdocs and 20% (62% x 33%) took jobs in industry (at ~2x what postdocs made).

Yes, I'm aware of that, but the OP was talking about getting a post-doc in a different field from his Ph.D. and I started my response with "You are much more likely to find a high paying job in industry than a post-doc in a different field."

The statement about post-docs being much more difficult to get than a high paying job needs to be qualified with "post-docs in a different field than your Ph.D," and thanks for the correction. I've changed the post.
 
Last edited:
  • #33
Also, I was looking over old papers, and one thing that is interesting was that there was in fact a burst of astronomy faculty hiring in the 1980's that petered out in the early 1990's.

http://www.as.utexas.edu/astronomy/people/dinerstein/talk.html

I have to thank Prof. Dinerstein, because I think she noticed the hiring trends and gave us all "advanced warning."
 
  • #34
twofish-quant said:
And if you want to get a job in our group, don't get a Ph.D. in finance. Most finance Ph.D.'s don't study the type of things we are interested in. Now there are lots of jobs for finance Ph.D.'s, but they just don't involve crunching PDE's.

What kind jobs do Finance PhDs? My understanding is that they are in much, much fewer numbers than even Economics PhDs, who are in turn, are fewer in numbers than science PhDs. That's just based on what I've read on other forums and judging from what I also read on the websites of a few Finance departments, which stated that they only take 2-3 students every year. So, no specific numbers. At any rate, what do Finance PhDs do, that Economics/Finance BS people can't do? Do their jobs involve the same kind of work they did in graduate school, like with physics PhDs?
 
  • #35
I can feel your pain Diracula (cool name by the way). Like me, you sound torn between doing what you're interested in and doing what will most likely get you a decent job. I'm currently in my 4th semester of my physics PhD (theory) and by the end of this semester I need to pick an adviser. I have a lot of options but ultimately I know for a fact I don't want to be in academia after I'm done. I'm an industry cat all the way. In my current search for an adviser, I've found some advisers that will consistently turn out research like industry workers (titles include: photonics researcher, various principal scientists, research engineer, CFD engineer, quants) mostly because of their networking through previous students. Other advisers more or less have a track record of turning out postdoc treadmill runners, which in most cases sound like they eventually lost contact.

So far, my hunch is that the adviser is going to be the key to doing what I'm interested in but grabbing enough skills and contacts to still end up with a good job. Are you applying for a PhD or currenly in one? If you're currently in a program, then I would start hounding everyone you can about what the previous students are doing now.
 
  • #36
SophusLies;3753502So far said:
If your advisor is smart and they know you want to go into industry, they will help you get the skills to succeed in industry. My advisor told me about 6 months after I started working for him that I cold make it as a faculty member in a liberal arts school with a masters program as the highest degree or as an industrial researcher. He has revised his thoughts and has told me that I could be a faculty member guiding PhD students, but he still believes that I should be in industry because I have too much fun running from project to project over the course of a year or two.
 
  • #37
Mépris said:
What kind jobs do Finance PhDs?

Strangely enough, I've never met a non-mathematical finance Ph.D. in a professional capacity. I hear they exist. The mathematical people that I know with Ph.D.'s from finance departments are essentially applied statisticians that work on time series data, and are wizards with Matlab and R.

So, no specific numbers. At any rate, what do Finance PhDs do, that Economics/Finance BS people can't do?

People with bachelors degrees plug numbers into spreadsheets. People with masters degrees write the spreadsheets. People with Ph.D.'s write the formulas that get put into the spreadsheets.

Do their jobs involve the same kind of work they did in graduate school, like with physics PhDs?

If I meet one, I'll ask. The fact that I've never run into a non-geek finance Ph.D. in a professional capacity (and I'm not sure what they do) illustrates the point that I don't have a finance job, I have a science/engineering job that happens to be in a financial firm.
 
  • #38
Also adviser attitude matters a lot. I didn't get much in the way of practical advice in going into industry from my adviser, but I got a lot of moral support which was really important. If your adviser thinks less of you as a human being if you go into industry (mine didn't, but some do), then it's going to be very uncomfortable for you.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
5K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
Replies
16
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
5K
Replies
4
Views
3K