How harming will be this boxing or street boxing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential risks and consequences of participating in informal boxing matches, particularly focusing on brain damage and safety concerns. Participants share their experiences and opinions regarding the frequency and conditions under which such fights occur, as well as the implications for future careers in physics or engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the potential for brain damage from boxing, questioning how much damage could occur from fights held once a month.
  • Another participant suggests that if one does not get hit, there should be no brain damage, but later emphasizes the importance of organized and safe conditions for such fights.
  • Some participants recommend using protective gear, such as headgear and mouthguards, while noting that headgear may not prevent brain damage.
  • There are discussions about the risks of injuries during sparring and matches, with some arguing that one can learn to fight effectively without sustaining serious injuries.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential legal implications of causing harm to an opponent in unsanctioned fights.
  • One participant reflects on their past experiences with boxing and the injuries they sustained, suggesting that even a single fight could lead to serious consequences.
  • Another participant mentions that the severity of brain damage may correlate with the frequency of fights and the weight class of the boxers involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some emphasizing the risks associated with boxing while others downplay the dangers. There is no consensus on the safety of informal boxing matches or the extent of potential brain damage.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of safety measures and organized events, but there are unresolved questions about the actual risks involved and the long-term effects of participating in such fights.

  • #31
AlexES16 said:
Ok the thing is this, is just a 2 minute figth that I am going to do, is with boxing gloves, and the fights we do are very strict. Will 2 minutes ruin my life?
It could. That's plenty of time to get knocked out. What kind of rules do you have. Anything like a "standing eight count"?
 
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  • #32
AlexES16 said:
Actually i remeber that the last night there was an event in my school, and there was this beutifull girl(for me the most beutifull in my school) and then i realized that some bad dudes were taking pictures of her back(you know what i mean, i don't if that word is forbiden in the forum) and i mean she is very, in don't know like very righteous and good girl, and i felt like wana protect her and beat up those bad dudes. And for things like that i wana start beating up guys I am my school. Also a women point of view will help.

To start beating up guys in school because of their bad behavior isn't justified, leave it to the principal of the school and the authorities. Once you start to go around beating up these dudes you will be taking the chance that them or an acquaintance of theirs may want to retaliate. When I mention retaliate I mean that they may do something drastic, shoot you, gang up on you and beat you into a coma, or something else that may end your hopes and dreams of a long and beautiful life.
 
  • #33
AlexES16 said:
Ok the thing is this, is just a 2 minute figth that I am going to do, is with boxing gloves, and the fights we do are very strict. Will 2 minutes ruin my life?

There is a distinct possibility that 2 minutes could end your dreams. It only takes one good punch to become a vegetable or possibly be brain damaged for life, this may never happen but then again who knows.
 
  • #34
Boxerguy000 said:
There is a distinct possibility that 2 minutes could end your dreams. It only takes one good punch to become a vegetable or possibly be brain damaged for life, this may never happen but then again who knows.


For you when should you trake this risks?
 
  • #35
AlexES16 said:
Well apart that i want to probe my skills, i do it to becouse i want to know if i am capable of defending the ones i love, imagine one day a guy wants to abuse or make feel bad my girl, also in my school you need to be kinda strong and guys think that i am tough guy.
Ok, so this is in part for defense and in part to preserve your image. If you want to learn to defend yourself you would be better off joining a boxing gym and learning from a professional. Not only would you get better instruction, but you would be much safer. For one on one fights I would recommend a grappling martial art like Jiu-Jitsu. Most fights that last longer than one punch end on the ground. Don't ever expect a fair fight. Forget high-kicks until you're pro and know when to use them.

As for your image, it's very un-tough guy to try to appear to be a tough guy. If you are determined to learn how to fight then learn from people who are better than you, not other high-school students whom you are trying to prove yourself to. More importantly, learn to know when not to fight. Violence is a last resort for people with self-confidence.

This guy thought he was a tough guy too. The picture quality is poor, but you'll see that the 73kg guy could have broken the arm of the 114kg guy. That arm bar ended the fight. Be a smart guy, not just a tough guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2MUZBtAwM
 
  • #36
lisab said:
I agree that marital arts is the way to go if self-defense is your goal, Alex. I thought from your OP that you were just boxing for the fun and sport of it. Boxing won't teach you how to street fight.

I think that boxing is much more popular and accessible in Alex's part of the world. Not sure, just my impression.
 
  • #37
TheStatutoryApe said:
I think that boxing is much more popular and accessible in Alex's part of the world. Not sure, just my impression.
I remember seeing outdoor boxing rings along the road in Mexico City. They're like basketball courts in the US. Not sure if it's the same in other Spanish speaking countries.
 
  • #38
Andre said:
Perhaps it's too late already? :bugeye:

beat me to it! DAMNIT
 
  • #39
Huckleberry said:
This guy thought he was a tough guy too. The picture quality is poor, but you'll see that the 73kg guy could have broken the arm of the 114kg guy. That arm bar ended the fight. Be a smart guy, not just a tough guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2MUZBtAwM

It kinda sucks that the quality is so low, I can't really make how who's blood is all over lol.

Anyways I completely agree. Having been in a position (just messing around) where you are on top of your opponent but they know how to properly grapple is a really bad feeling. You feel sort of like your in a dominant position but you can't do anything. Once the bodybuilder decided to try to spear him to the ground I knew the fight was over. He couldn't beat him in a normal 'boxing' type fight so he tried to throw hsi weight around in a spear... bad move... stood close to no chance once the fight was brought to the ground. This guy was a 2nd degree black belt.

@OP If your REALLY interested in fighting join a gym. Those fights that are organized by schools are unsafe. Last time I saw my friends do one of these they fought until they were both puking all over the place and bleeding like crazy. I'm pretty sure both people lost quite a few braincells during the fight. I'd suggest going to a gym that offers a variety of different martial arts... look for a MMA gym. It'll teach you how to fight well in a ring and it will, in my opinion, give you the most practical self-defense.

EDIT: AHhh I see you already mentioned Krav Maga as well. If you can handle it then I don't see why not... I don't know if you can learn KM from a gym though... not sure I've never seen it personally. I would still stick to my suggestion of MMA over KM because in Krav you are training pretty much to kill your opponent... it makes you a very dangerous person in a fight whereas in my opinion most of the other martial arts allow you to train to restrain yourself. (which is a good thing... you want to defend yourself in order to defuse the situation ... not kill the man right away lol)
 
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  • #40
AlexES16 said:
Hello =). Well I've been training for 5 months, now i wana test my abilities, in my high school, guys make fights of 3 minutes, with gloves and only boxing(boxing technique is what I've been training). I am physicaly feet, i have devastating punching power, so the question will be, how much brain damage will be to do this fights once in a month. I wana beocme a physicist or a an engineer so this year will be the last i do this kind of stuff.

Alex, don't do it dude. I'm sure there are other places where you can test yourself. The risks involved here are simply too great. You'll be fighting in an uncontrolled environment against people who probably have less control than you have over their punches.

I also live in the "developing world" and if things where you are are in any way similar to things over here then you have to also consider the following: Say you have a successful "friendly" fight against someone where you beat him hands down. Say this someone doesn't feel so friendly after you beat him and feels extremely humiliated because of it and decides to come after you with a knife, his friends or a gun...what then?

There is no martial art that can guarantee success against multiple or armed attackers...

Join a gym dude, do it for the fun and for the sport of it and hope you never get into a situation where you have to test your skills for real.
 
  • #41
Given what you say, you need to learn when to fight, and how. Krav Maga most assuredly, from a teacher with good reputation.
 
  • #42
phyzmatix said:
Alex, don't do it dude. I'm sure there are other places where you can test yourself. The risks involved here are simply too great. You'll be fighting in an uncontrolled environment against people who probably have less control than you have over their punches.

I also live in the "developing world" and if things where you are are in any way similar to things over here then you have to also consider the following: Say you have a successful "friendly" fight against someone where you beat him hands down. Say this someone doesn't feel so friendly after you beat him and feels extremely humiliated because of it and decides to come after you with a knife, his friends or a gun...what then?

There is no martial art that can guarantee success against multiple or armed attackers...

Join a gym dude, do it for the fun and for the sport of it and hope you never get into a situation where you have to test your skills for real.

Good point men. Thanks.
 
  • #43
zomgwtf said:
It kinda sucks that the quality is so low, I can't really make how who's blood is all over lol.

Anyways I completely agree. Having been in a position (just messing around) where you are on top of your opponent but they know how to properly grapple is a really bad feeling. You feel sort of like your in a dominant position but you can't do anything. Once the bodybuilder decided to try to spear him to the ground I knew the fight was over. He couldn't beat him in a normal 'boxing' type fight so he tried to throw hsi weight around in a spear... bad move... stood close to no chance once the fight was brought to the ground. This guy was a 2nd degree black belt.

@OP If your REALLY interested in fighting join a gym. Those fights that are organized by schools are unsafe. Last time I saw my friends do one of these they fought until they were both puking all over the place and bleeding like crazy. I'm pretty sure both people lost quite a few braincells during the fight. I'd suggest going to a gym that offers a variety of different martial arts... look for a MMA gym. It'll teach you how to fight well in a ring and it will, in my opinion, give you the most practical self-defense.

EDIT: AHhh I see you already mentioned Krav Maga as well. If you can handle it then I don't see why not... I don't know if you can learn KM from a gym though... not sure I've never seen it personally. I would still stick to my suggestion of MMA over KM because in Krav you are training pretty much to kill your opponent... it makes you a very dangerous person in a fight whereas in my opinion most of the other martial arts allow you to train to restrain yourself. (which is a good thing... you want to defend yourself in order to defuse the situation ... not kill the man right away lol)

I sparred in boxing and the blows in sparring are very hard, and i think i recive more damage in a gym than a 2 minute fight in a year.
 
  • #44
AlexES16 said:
I sparred in boxing and the blows in sparring are very hard, and i think i recive more damage in a gym than a 2 minute fight in a year.

If you really want a system for use in self-defense only, then I agree with some of the previous posts. Try Krav Maga or any other reality-based martial art (there's also Systema and Modern Military Combatives amongst others). They aren't sport-oriented though and do exactly what the name implies: reality-based scenario's. The techniques and skills focus mostly on defending against the most common street attacks.

If you'd like to try something that is very well-regulated as a sport (i.e. very safe to practise), but that also makes for plenty of opportunity to test your skills in competition as well as offer you a certain measure of defense on the street, then perhaps you should try Judo.

Just a thought :wink:
 
  • #45
phyzmatix said:
If you really want a system for use in self-defense only, then I agree with some of the previous posts. Try Krav Maga or any other reality-based martial art (there's also Systema and Modern Military Combatives amongst others). They aren't sport-oriented though and do exactly what the name implies: reality-based scenario's. The techniques and skills focus mostly on defending against the most common street attacks.

If you'd like to try something that is very well-regulated as a sport (i.e. very safe to practise), but that also makes for plenty of opportunity to test your skills in competition as well as offer you a certain measure of defense on the street, then perhaps you should try Judo.

Just a thought :wink:

There is also the Modern Method of pistol shooting, which is very effective, but what is the verse, "They sow the wind and they reap the whirlwind," so it is with violence. You may win a fight, but lose a war.
 
  • #46
IcedEcliptic said:
There is also the Modern Method of pistol shooting, which is very effective, but what is the verse, "They sow the wind and they reap the whirlwind," so it is with violence. You may win a fight, but lose a war.

Is this the same thing as combat shooting? I'm personally a bit weary of your average person carrying a firearm in public, sidearms tend to make their bearers arrogant and cocksure...Also, that quote of yours is very relevant.
 
  • #47
phyzmatix said:
Is this the same thing as combat shooting? I'm personally a bit weary of your average person carrying a firearm in public, sidearms tend to make their bearers arrogant and cocksure...Also, that quote of yours is very relevant.

Yes, Weaver Stance instead of Point Shooting and more. I agree that carrying a firearm is a mixed bag, with people who believe it is a weapon that can be used as a threat, often being harmed. The old saying, "you do not point a gun at anything you are not willing to kill/destroy," is also relevant. Pulling a gun should be the action which immediately precedes an attempt to kill the target, anything short of lethal action must not involve a gun.

For the proverb, I find it is very useful as well. Sometimes it is hard to remember that violence is only one solution, which often leads to more violence. Shoot a man for taking these pictures of a girl, or beat him, and maybe you win the day? What is to happen when this man and his friends recover? Will they try to kill you, or perhaps they come after the girl. "The easiest fight to win is the fight you do not have."
 
  • #48
I think things would most likely be fine, but if you really want to test yourself, you should go to a gym.

How tough do you have to be to wing some wild shots with you eyes closed? That is what most of these "backyard boxing" matches devolve into.

Go to the gym and learn how to fight like a man, then you can be proud.

As for brain dammage, I wouldn't worry about that too much. Most fighters who suffer brain dammage have been fighting for 10+ years, and have taken hundreds of punches to the head in single fights, on multiple occasions. A couple school age scraps -- in the ring -- should be fine.

If you do feel the need for the "backyard boxing", make sure you fight on a grassy area that is clear of all rocks. NEVER fight on concrete -- if someone is knocked out they can easily fall and crack their head open.

Don't learn how to box so that you can street fight. A street fight is not a boxing match, it's a brutish sort of violence unrestrained by sportsmanship and fairness. Boxing may prepare you tactically for a street fight (you'll know how to throw a punch), but will leave you unprepared for the strategic elements of a street fight (you're actually going to be fighting 10 of these guys).

main point: Join a boxing gym.
 
  • #49
General_Sax said:
I think things would most likely be fine, but if you really want to test yourself, you should go to a gym.

How tough do you have to be to wing some wild shots with you eyes closed? That is what most of these "backyard boxing" matches devolve into.

Go to the gym and learn how to fight like a man, then you can be proud.

As for brain dammage, I wouldn't worry about that too much. Most fighters who suffer brain dammage have been fighting for 10+ years, and have taken hundreds of punches to the head in single fights, on multiple occasions. A couple school age scraps -- in the ring -- should be fine.

If you do feel the need for the "backyard boxing", make sure you fight on a grassy area that is clear of all rocks. NEVER fight on concrete -- if someone is knocked out they can easily fall and crack their head open.

Don't learn how to box so that you can street fight. A street fight is not a boxing match, it's a brutish sort of violence unrestrained by sportsmanship and fairness. Boxing may prepare you tactically for a street fight (you'll know how to throw a punch), but will leave you unprepared for the strategic elements of a street fight (you're actually going to be fighting 10 of these guys).

main point: Join a boxing gym.

Yeah i mean how much really brain damage you get of one sparring session, i don't think is to much, even if its full force.
 
  • #50
Chi Meson said:
When I think of "Physics" and "Boxing," I think ofhttp://www.conceptualphysics.com/pghewitt.shtml" .

Make of it what you will. I don't like the sport myself, but I also don't like to judge, and Paul Hewitt may just be the most important Physics educator of the last half-century.

Former boxer, men that's nice, so he must have recived some blows to the head and he is not dumb, and not even going to be a boxer, just round and that's all. Thank you men.
 
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  • #51
This is the worst idea I have ever heard, Alex. I don't think you have any idea how dangerous backyard fights can be.
 
  • #52
Cyrus said:
This is the worst idea I have ever heard, Alex. I don't think you have any idea how dangerous backyard fights can be.

There is a reason that it is young men fighting after all, sense of immortality, lack of understanding of the long term consequences, and little concept that you can paralyze, kill, or otherwise main a "friend". Break a rib, or orbit, and you can lose a lung or an eye. Kidney punches or liver shots, all dangerous. Some people drive fast, some people drink, some people get into fights. Common thread: young people.
 
  • #53
Backyard boxing can be more dangerous than a street fight. I know just how dangerous it can be as I have participated in them and my opponents get a little carried away and punched wildly and furiously. I suggest that you do your boxing at a gym and in a controlled environment for safety sake. In lots of backyard action there are no rules, and people tend to want to hurt their opponent instead of just enjoying a little friendly boxing action.
 
  • #54
Alex,
If self-defense is what you want, then learn to run the four minute mile. They'll have to catch you first before they can throw a punch!
 
  • #55
Well let's put it this way. 1 month of hard sparring in boxing. Or let's put it this way, 1 minute of sparring a month?.
 

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