How High is the Cliff if a Rock Splashes Water in 3 Seconds?

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The problem involves a rock being dropped from a cliff, with the total time until the splash sound is heard being 3 seconds. The context is kinematics, specifically dealing with free fall and sound propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to separate the time taken for the rock to fall and the time for the sound to travel back up. There is mention of using equations related to both the rock's motion and the sound's travel time.

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Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the time for the rock and the time for the sound, suggesting that they must sum to the total time of 3 seconds. Multiple equations and variables are being explored, but no consensus or final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of no air resistance and the need to clarify the different time intervals involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



"A rock is dropped off a cliff into the water below. The sound of the splash is heard 3.0 s later. If the speed of sound is 332 m/s, calculate the height of the cliff above the water. (Note: the total time it takes for the rock to fall and the sound to travel upwards is 3.0 s)"

Therefore,
v1 = 0
g = 9.8 m/s2
Δt = 3.0 s
vsound = 332 m/s

Homework Equations


FOR SOUND
Δd = vsound * Δt2, where Δt2 is the time it takes from the sound to reach the top of the cliff from the bottom.
FOR ROCK
Δd = v1 * Δt + 0.5 * g * (Δt)2
*the following equations may be useful but i doubt it*
v2 = v1 + g * Δt
(v2)2 = (v1)2 + 2 * g * Δd

*assume no air resistance

The Attempt at a Solution


Δd = ?
No clue.

I figured that the answer should be 41 m, I believe, by trial and error but I would like to know how this can be solved in a normal way.
 
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The Δt for the rock is different from the Δt you set for the total time.
Call it Δt1 ?

Then Δt1+Δt2=what?

Now you have three equations and three unknowns.
 
It should be time for rock + time for sound = 3.0s and that the sound is not affected by gravity but rock is accelerating from 0 , at 9.8m/s2.
 
Well done - now you can solve it.
hint: all three equations have to be true simultaneously.
 

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