How Is Electric Potential Calculated for a Curved Rod?

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The discussion revolves around calculating electric potential for a curved rod, specifically focusing on the application of the formula V=kq/r and its adaptation for a continuous charge distribution along the arc of the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of charge elements along the curved rod and question the correct expression for the length of the arc in relation to the angle subtended. There is an exploration of the relationship between linear charge density and the geometry of the rod.

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Some participants have provided corrections and clarifications regarding the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the expression for the length of the arc. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the calculation of electric potential.

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Participants express confusion over the geometric interpretation of the arc length and its relation to the radius and angle, indicating a need for further clarification on these foundational concepts.

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V=kq/r

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V=kQ/r
dV=kdQ/r

[itex]dQ=\lambda d\theta[/itex] <---This is where I'll make a mistake if any.

[itex]dV=k(\lambda d\Theta) /r[/itex]
[tex]V=\frac{k\lambda}{r}\int_0^{\phi}d\Theta[/tex]
[itex]\phi=2\pi/3[/itex]
[itex]\lambda=Q/L= Q/(2\pi/3)[/itex]

[tex]V=k\frac{3Q}{2\pi r}\int_0^{\phi}d\Theta[/tex]


...so far?
 
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Yerr, that is a mistake. You forgot that the length of the rod is [tex]R\cdot \phi[/tex] and not just [tex]\phi[/tex].

[tex]dq=\lambda dl=\lambda R \cdot d\theta[/tex]
[tex]\lambda \equiv \frac{Q}{R\cdot\phi}[/tex]

[tex]dV=\frac{K}{R}\cdot dq[/tex]

[tex]dV=\frac{K}{R}\cdot\lambda R \cdot d\theta[/tex]

[tex]dV=K\lambda\cdot d\theta[/tex]

[tex]dV=\frac{KQ}{R\cdot\phi}\cdot d\theta[/tex]

And now it's just a question of taking the integral along the arc and you're done.

The surprising result I got is that the potential is just [tex]V=\frac{KQ}{R}[/tex]
 
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See, that is where I knew I'd make a mistake. I can't understand why it's [tex] R\cdot \phi[/tex]. No problems I've found online explain it either. Where does the R come from?
 
exitwound said:
See, that is where I knew I'd make a mistake. I can't understand why it's [tex] R\cdot \phi[/tex]. No problems I've found online explain it either. Where does the R come from?

Just by definition. The length of a circular arc of radius [tex]R[/tex] resting on [tex]x[/tex] radians is [tex]R\cdotx[/tex]

Just like how a circle of radius [tex]R[/tex] has a circumference of [tex]2\pi R[/tex], that's the same as saying you've got a circular arc of radius [tex]R[/tex] resting on [tex]2\pi[/tex] radians.
 

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