How Is Gauss's Law Applied to Calculate Deflection Angle in Charge Interaction?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying Gauss's Law to determine the deflection angle of a charged particle moving near a fixed charge. The problem involves understanding the forces acting on the particle and how these forces influence its trajectory as it moves along the x-axis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the moving charge and its resulting velocity components. There is an exploration of how to express the distance from the moving charge to the fixed charge and how this affects the calculations. Some participants question the necessity of the x-component of velocity and its role in determining the angle of deflection.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations needed to derive the angle of deflection. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of forces and the relationship between velocity components, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted concern regarding the lack of information about the x-component of velocity, which some participants believe is critical for solving the problem. Additionally, assumptions about the distance calculations and the integration of forces are being examined.

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Homework Statement



A Particle of mass m and chargeq oves at high speed along the x axis. It is initially near x=-infinity and it ends up near x=+infinity. A second charge Q is fixed at the point x=0, y=-d. As the moving charge passes the stationary chrge, its x component o velocity does not change appreciably, but it acquires a small velocity in the y direction. Determine the angle angle through which the moving charge is deflected. suggestion: The integral you encounter in determining v_y can be evaluated by applying Gauss's law to a long cylinder of radius D, centred on the stationary charge.


Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



So Far, I have managed to get to E=Q/2[tex]\pi[/tex]md([tex]\epsilon[/tex]_0)
and ended up with a= Qq/(2[tex]\pi[/tex]md([tex]\epsilon[/tex]_0)
by using electric force and F=ma equations

I know the answer I should get is [tex]\Theta[/tex]=Qq/(2[tex]\pi[/tex]md([tex]\epsilon[/tex]_0)v[tex]^{2}[/tex]

can anybody help me with the method between these two points, or correct me if my method is wrong?
 
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you are along the right lines here, but you need to consider that the particle will always experience a force, for all x, not just at x = 0, so work out the distance that the particle is for any x, and use this as your distance.

other than that, don't forget that

[tex] F = q_1 q_2 / 4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^2[/tex]

is the force, and from this, and what i said above, you should be able to follow the algebra through and get the right answer =]
 
SporadicSmile said:
you are along the right lines here, but you need to consider that the particle will always experience a force, for all x, not just at x = 0, so work out the distance that the particle is for any x, and use this as your distance.

OK, so I'm assuming that I am using [tex]r^2=x^2+d^2[/tex], and that [tex]x=r tan \theta[/tex], which should give me the distance, as I can't see another way of getting it.
but this complicates things on the rhs giving me a "+1 " when simplified, which looks tough to get rid of.

I still can't see a way of getting the [tex]v^2[/tex] unless I use kinetic energy, but then that seems to cause more problems than it solves.

is it the K.E. I'm looking at, or am I missing something a bit more simple?
 
Yes for the first thing, no for the second. The direction r is the direction of the force on the particle, not the direction of the particle itself.

first you want to calculate the velocity in the y direction by integrating the force with respect to time, which is the momentum, and hence you have the velocity.

The angle is calculated from the ratio of the y-velocity to the x-velocity (this can be seen by drawing a triangle, using distance traveled in the x direction and distance traveled in y direction in a given time t, The angle [tex]\theta[/tex] is enclosed by that, and from there is simple substitution).
 
dude don't you get it? there no Vx, so the problem can't be solved. They should give you Vx. It doesn't matter if you use Vy/Vx=tan(()) or Position Y/x=tan(()) you still need the x component.
 
SporadicSmile said:
Yes for the first thing, no for the second. The direction r is the direction of the force on the particle, not the direction of the particle itself.

first you want to calculate the velocity in the y direction by integrating the force with respect to time, which is the momentum, and hence you have the velocity.

The angle is calculated from the ratio of the y-velocity to the x-velocity (this can be seen by drawing a triangle, using distance traveled in the x direction and distance traveled in y direction in a given time t, The angle [tex]\theta[/tex] is enclosed by that, and from there is simple substitution).

motherfucker then do it.
 

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