How Is Gravity Modeled in Algebraic Equations?

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The discussion revolves around modeling gravity in algebraic equations, particularly focusing on determining the point at which an object's velocity reaches zero under the influence of gravity. Participants explore various approaches to express this concept mathematically, considering both basic algebra and more complex physics principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to model the effect of gravity on an object's velocity using algebraic expressions, specifically seeking to find when the velocity becomes zero.
  • Another participant questions the classification of the problem as an algebra question, suggesting that there are straightforward formulas available for this scenario.
  • A participant provides a mathematical derivation of the velocity as a function of time, indicating that the acceleration due to gravity is -g and leading to the conclusion that the time at which velocity reaches zero can be expressed as t = v0/g.
  • One participant initially misinterprets the question, thinking it pertains to the object's descent rather than its ascent.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of conservation of energy, proposing that at the point where velocity is zero, all initial kinetic energy is converted to gravitational potential energy, leading to the formula y = v²/(2g) for the height reached.
  • It is noted that the application of the gravitational constant of 9.8 m/s² is valid only under certain conditions, such as near the Earth's surface, and that variations occur when considering different contexts, like space.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the classification of the problem and the methods used to approach it. While some provide mathematical solutions, others challenge the framing of the question as purely algebraic, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

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This isn't a homework question, just one that's been nagging me for a while, and it is algebra so I thought this an appropriate place for it.

I've been working on this problem at my whiteboard for a good half hour and can't figure out. I'm sure it's very simple but a search of Google and these forums uncovered nothing of any value.

I want to find the point at which an object's velocity will reach 0 if its initial velocity is known and gravity acts at its normal [tex]-9.8m/s/s[/tex]. The problem is that I don't know how to express this as [tex]f(x)[/tex] or [tex]y[/tex]. I've read that gravity is [tex]9.8m/s^2[/tex] but I really don't understand how that works.

I apologize for asking such a basic question, I just don't remember anything from the last quarter of my algebra class. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.

I went a little overboard with the tex thing. Oh well. [tex]:)[/tex]
 
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how is this an algebra question? there are very simple formulas out there for this problem.
 
You are saying that the body's acceleration (derivative of velocity) is -g.
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt}= -g[/tex] so, integrating, v= -gt+ C. Taking the "initial speed" to be v0, v(t)= -gt+ v0. To determine when the objects velocity is 0, set that equal to 0 and solve for t: -gt+ v0= 0 so -gt= -v0 and t= v0/g.

Since this is neither abstract nor linear algebra, I am moving it.
 
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My answer: when x=0, assuming the object is inelastic.

EDIT: Ahh nvm you meant on the objects way up, I thought you meant after it has already started falling.
 
Thanks for the help.

I thought this was an algebra question, sorry it was in the wrong place. Shows how little I know about math.
 
NerfMonkey said:
Thanks for the help.

I thought this was an algebra question, sorry it was in the wrong place. Shows how little I know about math.

It essentially algebra, just not linear algebra/abstract algebra
 
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ok, I'm assuming you mean that you are shooting an object straight up with some initial velocity. I'd use conservation of energy to solve this.

at the point where v=0 all of our initial kinetic energy is converted into gravitational potential energy:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}=mgy[/tex]

we solve for y:
[tex]y=\frac{v^{2}}{2g}[/tex]

And there you have "the point at which an object's velocity will reach 0". It is important to note that this only works when gravity really is 9.8 m/s^2. If you're shooting things off into space then you must take into account that g is not constant so it gets a bit more complicated.
 

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