How is hydrogen more stable in diatomic form?

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The discussion revolves around the stability of hydrogen in its diatomic form (H2) compared to atomic hydrogen (H). Participants explore the reasons behind this stability, including quantum mechanical effects, electron configurations, and the implications of the octet rule in the context of hydrogen and helium.

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Main Points Raised

  • Vanmaiden questions the stability gained by hydrogen when adding an electron to its 1s sublevel, seeking clarification on the significance of a filled orbital.
  • Another participant notes that molecular hydrogen (H2) is more stable than atomic hydrogen, citing the energy required to break apart H atoms versus H2 molecules.
  • One participant introduces the octet rule, suggesting that hydrogen's stability can be understood through its simple electron configuration, where a stable state is achieved with two electrons.
  • Another participant discusses the geometric arrangement of electrons in H2, proposing that the distribution of electrons leads to greater stability due to balanced forces.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while electrons in H2 are often described as being in a filled orbital, they actually engage in concerted hopping between atoms, which enhances bonding through increased electrostatic attraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of stability in hydrogen, with some focusing on quantum mechanical explanations while others emphasize geometric and conceptual frameworks. No consensus is reached regarding the precise mechanisms that confer stability to diatomic hydrogen.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of molecular energy levels compared to atomic levels, and the discussion includes various assumptions about electron behavior and stability that remain unresolved.

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Hello Physicsforums,

I'm curious to know what stability hydrogen receives through adding one more electron to its 1s sublevel level. The whole sublevel is at the same energy state, so why must it fill that one more space to attain stability? What does a full 1s orbital do to make it stable? I can see why it's inert, but we stay it's more stable.

Thanks,

Vanmaiden
 
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Is molecular hydrogen said to be more stable than atomic hydrogen? Who by? And in what context?

You need 13.6eV to break apart a H atom, but only 4.6eV to break apart an H2 molecule.

The stability of a covalent bond is a QM effect from symmetry.
Paired electrons in sub-shells sort-of "balance out the load" on an atom.
But you should be aware that molecular energy levels are not the same as the atomic ones.

See also:
http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~dommelen/quantum/style_a/hmol.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/molecule/hmol.html
 
The reasoning here is the same as for all elements: the octet rule.
The only difference is that hydrogen and helium are so simple that their "octet" is only two atoms.

This stuff is really all about geometry. Everything in the universe is in a 3d matrix (well, 4d really, but we're being simplistic here). If there are electrons on opposite sides of a proton then everything is much more stable. Imagine... imagine a tight rope walker. When he's walking along the rope holding nothing, he's able to balance and move forward slowly. Give him a pole and he has some weight balancing him out horizontally, and he can move along a bit more steadily. Make him carry a weight in one hand though, and
he's less stable.
(Keep in mind that this is a completely different set of rules [kinetics], but I hope that it helps to illustrate the point a little.)
 
Though electrons in the ground state of hydrogen are symmetrically distributed ... but it's balanced here to pair spin-up and spin-down.
 
vanmaiden said:
Hello Physicsforums,

I'm curious to know what stability hydrogen receives through adding one more electron to its 1s sublevel level. The whole sublevel is at the same energy state, so why must it fill that one more space to attain stability? What does a full 1s orbital do to make it stable? I can see why it's inert, but we stay it's more stable.

Thanks,

Vanmaiden

Yes, a H2 molecule is 4.6 eV more stable than 2 hydrogen atoms. However, the electrons are only seldomly both in the 1s orbital of the same atom. So it is quite misleading to speak of "filling up" the sublevel. Rather in H2 there is the possibility of concerted hopping of the electrons between the two atoms. The atomic wavefunctions are thus allowed to spread out in direction of the bond and at the same time reducing their extension in the direction perpendicular to the bond. This leads to an increased electrostatic attraction responsible for bonding.
 

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