How Is Impulse Calculated in Volleyball Spiking?

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The problem involves calculating the impulse experienced by a volleyball when a player spikes it. The ball's mass and its speeds before and after the spike are provided, leading to a discussion on the correct application of the impulse formula.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the impulse formula and its application, questioning the calculations and the interpretation of vector components. There is an exploration of the difference between impulse in vector form and its magnitude.

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Participants are actively engaged in identifying errors in calculations and clarifying the distinction between vector and scalar quantities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the computation of the magnitude of a vector, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve assumptions about directionality and the interpretation of vector components, which are being questioned by participants.

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Homework Statement


A ball is traveling horizontally over a volleyball net when a player "spikes" it, driving it straight down to the ground. The ball's mass is 0.20 kg, its speed before being hit is 6.4 m/s and its speed immediately after the spike is 21 m/s. What is the magnitude of the impulse from the spike?


Homework Equations



J=mv(final)-mv(initial)

The Attempt at a Solution


J=.20(0,-21)-.20(6.4,0)
J=(0,-4.2)-(1.28,0)
J=(1.28,-4.2)

I don't understand where I went wrong, but the book tells me that this is incorrect.
 
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Well, assuming your calculations are correct, that's the impulse in vector form. The book wants the magnitude of the impulse.
 
Ah, perhaps you can tell me where I went wrong initially...

My first attempt to solve the problem was:
.20(21)-.20(6.4)=4.2-1.28=2.92
2.92 was incorrect, and then I thought perhaps it should be negative since the direction is down, but -2.92 was incorrect as well, so that is when I tried the vector form..which, to my dismay, was also incorrect.
 
Sorry for not getting back to you earlier.

sheepcountme said:
Ah, perhaps you can tell me where I went wrong initially...

My first attempt to solve the problem was:
.20(21)-.20(6.4)=4.2-1.28=2.92

Well, just algebraically adding together the x and y components of a vector doesn't make much sense, does it?

sheepcountme said:
2.92 was incorrect, and then I thought perhaps it should be negative since the direction is down, but -2.92 was incorrect as well, so that is when I tried the vector form..which, to my dismay, was also incorrect.

It's not that your answer for the impulse vector was necessarily wrong. It's just that the question wasn't asking for the vector. It was asking for the magnitude of that vector. How do you compute the magnitude of a vector? Hint: If you draw a picture of the x-component and y-component of a vector adding up "tip to tail" to form the resultant vector, what you have drawn is a right-angled triangle. The magnitude of the vector is its length, which is the length of the hypotenuse of the triangle in your picture. I think the calculation in your original post is mostly right, except...
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The Attempt at a Solution


J=.20(0,-21)-.20(6.4,0)
J=(0,-4.2)-(1.28,0)
J=(1.28,-4.2)

How do you get to this last line? For the x-component, 0 - 1.28 is not equal to 1.28. Also, you know that the x-component of the impulse should be negative, since the x-component of the momentum is initially positive, and ends up being zero.
 

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