How Is Normal Strain Derived in Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation for normal strain in calculus, specifically focusing on the mathematical steps and assumptions involved in approximating the length of a deformed segment. Participants explore the implications of small deformations and the application of geometric principles, including Pythagorean theorem, in the context of engineering mechanics.

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  • Some participants question the validity of the approximation that length(ab) ≈ dx + ∂u/∂x * dx, suggesting that the mathematical steps do not hold under scrutiny.
  • One participant explains that the approximation is based on the assumption of small angles and small deformations, which allows the hypotenuse to be treated as nearly equal to its horizontal component.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that both homogeneous deformation and simple shear must be considered to understand the changes in length and angles, proposing a sequence of transformations to justify the deformation.
  • Concerns are raised about the generality of the approximation, with one participant expressing skepticism about its validity without further justification from advanced solid mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion that the source material may have simplified the calculation rather than derived it rigorously, drawing parallels to common practices in small angle approximations.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the approximation and the assumptions made in the derivation. There is no consensus on whether the mathematical justification is sound or if the simplifications are appropriate.

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Participants note that the discussion relies on assumptions about small deformations and angles, and the implications of these assumptions are not fully resolved. The mathematical steps leading to the approximation are also questioned, indicating potential gaps in the derivation.

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What are the mathematical steps and assumptions to reach the conclusion that length(ab) ≈ dx + ∂u/∂x*dx ?

If you consider the the squares of the gradients to be negligible, you still have a square root and multiplication by the constant "2". What other assumptions do we make to derive the final equation?

*Edit, I should have posted this in calculus, I apologize.
 
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You were right to post this in engineering : it is an engineering issue.

The statement

{\rm{length(ab)}} = \sqrt {{{\left( {dx + \frac{{\partial {u_x}}}{{\partial x}}dx} \right)}^2} + {{\left( {\frac{{\partial {u_y}}}{{\partial x}}dx} \right)}^2}}

is nothing more than pythagoras theorem for the horizontal and vertical components of ab.
I assume you are comfortable with this.

Now AB was originally horizontal and it is stated that the strain is very small. Thus the angles alpha and beta in the diagram are very small.

If beta is very small then the hypotenuse (ab) is very nearly the same as the horizontal component, which is


dx + \frac{{\partial {u_x}}}{{\partial x}}dx


Thus

{\rm{length(ab)}} \approx dx + \frac{{\partial {u_x}}}{{\partial x}}dx
 
OP, I think your question is simply: how did they go from:

length(ab)= \sqrt{\left(dx+\frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial u_y}{\partial x}dx\right)^2}

to

length(ab)\approx dx+\frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx ?


The math doesn't work, I agree.

From a geometric point-of-view, as Studiot suggested, they assume that length(ab) is equal to its horizontal projection, for small deformations.


However, I'm not sure that I buy that, to be honest.



In terms of the actual physics, and in looking at the provided diagram, I can tell you that if it were only a simple shear, you could get the angle change \alpha + \beta but there has to be some sort of homogeneous (axial) deformation in order for BOTH dx and dy to change lengths.

For example, one way to arrive at the apparent deformed shape would be:

1) apply a homogenous deformation (e.x. to the right, of magnitude (length(ab)-dx) -- i.e. \sqrt{\left(dx+\frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial u_y}{\partial x}dx\right)^2}-dx)

2) apply a simple shear (e.x. to the right, of amount \alpha + \beta)

3) apply a rigid body rotation (e.x. counter-clockwise, of amount \alpha)

Does that make sense?



You can play with this though.

Take 1) to be zero. No deformation to the right means length(ab)=dx.

2) and 3) still apply - and so we have a simple shear and a rigid body rotation.

We should still get length(ab)=dx in this case under either a small shear or a large shear. However, due to the rigid body rotation, \frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx in their diagram would be nonzero and so their expression length(ab)\approx dx+\frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx is not equal to dx. This doesn't mean that they are wrong, but I cannot immediately justify approximating length(ab) as its horizontal projection, for the general case that they are showing.

In other words, I don't like their expression length(ab)\approx dx+\frac{\partial u_x}{\partial x}dx unless someone can prove to me that it agrees with more advanced solid mechanics.
 
OP, I think your question is simply: how did they go from:

...

to

...

I thought this at first but came to the conclusion that the source material authors were simply replacing or substituting a simpler calculation, not simplyfying a more complicated one.

This is not unusual, for instance the substitution of the chord for the arc or the other way in circular calculations of small angle.

We will not know more without more information from the source.
 

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