How Is Object Distance Calculated for Image Reduction with a Diverging Lens?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the object distance for a diverging lens to achieve a specific image size reduction. The original poster presents a scenario involving an object placed 18 cm in front of a lens with a focal length of -12 cm, seeking to determine the required object distance for the image to be reduced by a factor of 2.0.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the thin lens equation and magnification concepts. The original poster attempts to solve for image distance but encounters confusion regarding the relationship between image height and object distance. Others suggest manipulating the magnification equation to find the necessary parameters for the desired image size.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of magnification and the thin lens equation to derive relationships between the variables involved. The original poster reports success in arriving at the answer of 48 cm using one of the suggested methods.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of confusion regarding the number of unknowns in the equations being used, as well as the need to clarify the relationships between image height and object distance. The original poster's initial calculations and the final answer are noted, but the path to that answer remains a point of discussion.

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Homework Statement



An object is 18 cm in front of a diverging lens that has a focal length of -12 cm. How far in front of the lens should the object be placed so that the size of its image is reduced by a factor of 2.0

Homework Equations



The thin lens equations:

(1/di)+(1/do)=1/f

The magnification equation

(hi/ho)=-(di/do)

f=focal length
di=image distance
do=object distance
hi=image height
ho=object height


The Attempt at a Solution



The first thing I do is plug in values for the thin lens equations and solve for di (do and f are given). I end up getting:

18/di=-2.5
di=-7.2 cm

So the distance of the image from the lens is -7.2 cm.

However, this is where I get confused. I could use hi/ho=-(di/do) but there are two unknowns (hi/ho).

The answer to this, by the way, is 48 cm. I don't know how to get to this, though.
 
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Since you know di and do, you could get the magnification at 18cm in front of lens. Adjusting the equation a bit, -(di/do) = 1 - di/f. -(di/do) is the magnification, and what they are asking for is the object distance for half the magnification; thus, set -(di/do) to half the magnification you got earlier and solve for di. Using that value of di, find the value of do.
 
Let's say your initial image height is h_i = h_0\frac{d_i}{d_0}

Now you want to move the object to a new distance so that the new image height is half of this:
h_{i2} = h_0\frac{d_{i2}}{d_{02}}=\frac{1}{2}({h_0}\frac{d_i}{d_0})

Now you have an equation with three knowns and two unknowns. But you should be able to use the thin lens equation to reduce it to one unknown. Does that help?
 
Thanks for the responses! I used the method that Gear300 proposed (I tried JaWiB's but I couldn't figure it out) and I got 48 cm.
 

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