How is the angular momentum related to x and y coordinates in SHM?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle undergoing two-dimensional simple harmonic motion (SHM) with specified x and y coordinates. The task is to demonstrate that the quantity x\dot{y} - y\dot{x} remains constant and is related to the angular momentum of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the quantity x\dot{y} - y\dot{x} and relates it to angular momentum, expressing uncertainty about their approach and results.
  • Some participants suggest using the vector definition of angular momentum and clarify the correct formulation of the cross product.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between the velocity components and the angular momentum expression.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications and corrections to the original poster's approach. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the concepts involved, particularly regarding the relationship between the motion equations and angular momentum.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes potential confusion regarding the application of the cross product in the context of angular momentum and the need for careful consideration of the terms involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Two-dimensional SHM: A particle undergoes simple harmonic motion in both the x and y directions
simultaneously. Its x and y coordinates are given by
x = asin(ωt)
y = bcos(ωt)

Show that the quantity x\dot{y}-y\dot{x} is also constant along the ellipse, where here the dot means the derivative with respect to time. Show that this quantity is related to the angular momentum of the system.

Homework Equations


L = mv x r

The Attempt at a Solution


Hi, so for the first part it is pretty simple and my answer is -abω, unless i made a dumb mistake which I don't think I did.

It's the second part that is giving me issues. How do I show that it is related to angular momentum? I tried doing this

L = \sqrt{L^{2}_{x}+L^{2}_{y}}

then L_{x} = m\frac{∂x}{∂t} x r

where r = \sqrt{x^{2}+ y^{2}}

and then plugging everything in. I was hoping all the cos and sin were going to cancel out but it got really huge and messy. I didn't think it was supposed to be that hard so can anyone tell me if I am going in the right direction or if there is something I am missing?

Thanks
 
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Use the vector definition of angular momentum of a particle: ##\vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}= m\; \vec{r} \times \vec{v}##, where ##\vec{r} = x\hat{i} + y\hat{j}##. (Note, the order of the cross product is important. Thus, ##\vec{L} = m\;\vec{v} \times \vec{r}## is not correct.)
 
Right whoops.

so then v = dx/dt i + dy/dt j

and when we cross them we get m(xdy/dt - ydx/dt) = L correct?
 
Yes. Good.
 

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