How is the constant '4' handled in differentiation of $y=4\cos(x^3-2x)$?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function \( y = 4\cos(x^3 - 2x) \) and specifically addresses how the constant '4' is treated during the differentiation process. Participants explore the rules of differentiation, including the application of constants and the notation used in differentiation.

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  • Some participants reference the rule that states \( \frac{d}{dx} (c \times f(x)) = c \frac{d}{dx}(f(x)) \) to explain how the constant '4' remains unmodified in the differentiation.
  • Others express confusion about the notation used in differentiation, particularly the difference between \( \frac{d}{dx} \) and \( \frac{dy}{dx} \), and how this affects the interpretation of the differentiation process.
  • One participant suggests that it is acceptable to ignore the constant term in the derivative and add it back later, although this perspective is not universally accepted.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of writing \( \frac{dy}{dx}(c \times f(x)) \) versus \( \frac{d}{dx}(c \times f(x)) \), with some participants emphasizing the importance of clarity in notation.
  • Some participants share personal anecdotes and greetings, contributing to a more informal tone within the technical discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to handle the constant '4' in differentiation, and there are varying interpretations of the notation used in differentiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and implications of these notational differences.

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Participants express uncertainty about the logical differences between certain notations and rules of differentiation, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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In the same vein as last question:

by what rule of differentiation does the constant '4' in the following expression, get included, unmodified, in the differentiation

$$y=4cos(x^3-2x) \Rightarrow y'=-4(3x^2-2).sin(x^3-2x)$$

A cross-wire in my mind wants to apply the rule:
$$y=c\Rightarrow y'=0, where, c=constant$$

Incidentally, I've searched and searched and can't find an explanation as to the logical/operational difference between the following:
$\Rightarrow$ and $\rightarrow$
Please explain,
thanks again (hellow Sudharaka)
DeusAbs
 
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$$ \frac{d}{dx} (c \times f(x)) = c \frac{d}{dx}(f(x))$$
 
Hello, DeusAbscondus!
By what rule of differentiation does the constant '4' in the following expression,
get included, unmodified, in the differentiation

$y=4cos(x^3-2x) \Rightarrow y'=-4(3x^2-2)\sin(x^3-2x)$
One of the basic differentiation rules says:

If y \:=\:c\!\cdot\!f(x), then \tfrac{dy}{dx} \:=\:c\!\cdot\!f'(x)If you wish, you can use the Product Rule on: y \:=\:5\!\cdot\!x^3

. . \frac{dy}{dx} \:=\:0\!\cdot\!x^3 + 5\!\cdot\!3x^2 \:=\:15x^2I think you'll agree that it's a waste of time.
 
Re: Contant/derivative: And what is the difference between the d/dx and dy/dx?

pickslides said:
$$ \frac{d}{dx} (c \times f(x)) = c \frac{d}{dx}(f(x))$$

Thanks PickSlides:
just to be sure I've understood:
Is that to say $$\frac{dy}{dx}(c\times f(x))=c\frac{dy}{dx}(f(x))$$

And hello, incidentally, from Lismore, NSW.

DeusAbs
 
Yes, just ignore the constant term in the derivative and add it back in later.

I'm from Gowanbrae, VIC. Nice to meet ya!
 
Deus, I'd just be more careful about the notation. Notice that pickslides wrote

$$\frac{d}{dx} (c \times f(x)) = c \frac{d}{dx}(f(x))$$

whereas you wrote

$$\frac{dy}{dx}(c\times f(x))=c\frac{dy}{dx}(f(x)).$$
There's a not so subtle difference: pickslides differentiated with respect to $x$, what you did was essentially multiply the function $c f(x)$ by a derivative $\frac{dy}{dx}$. It's not what you meant because of the context, but watch for how you write it. :)

Cheers.
 
Fantini said:
Deus, I'd just be more careful about the notation. Notice that pickslides wrote

$$\frac{d}{dx} (c \times f(x)) = c \frac{d}{dx}(f(x))$$

whereas you wrote

$$\frac{dy}{dx}(c\times f(x))=c\frac{dy}{dx}(f(x)).$$
There's a not so subtle difference: pickslides differentiated with respect to $x$, what you did was essentially multiply the function $c f(x)$ by a derivative $\frac{dy}{dx}$. It's not what you meant because of the context, but watch for how you write it. :)

Cheers.

Thanks Fantini. But please, when you have a moment, explain the difference between the two notations more explicitly.
Appreciated.
DeusAbs
(I never dreamed when I hit upon my dog-latin nick, Deus Abscondus: ie: MissingGod or, God is Missing, that I would end up being addressed as Deus!)
 
The first is applying the differentiation with respect to $x$ operator, whereas the second is the derivative of a function $y$ with respect to x being multiplied by $c f(x)$. Of course, I did not assume $y=f(x)$ to make it more explicit, and even if you do it doesn't change anything.

Also, I just went for something short (Thinking). I can call you Abs from now on.

Cheers.
 
Fantini said:
I did not assume $y=f(x)$ to make it more explicit,

It's interchangeable in the equation.
 
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pickslides said:
It's interchangeable in the equation.

That's a relief: any more "things I don't understand" might have proven too much for my weakened self-confidence, which has taken a beating this week, so far.

Thanks mate,
DeusAbs
 

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