How Is the Inverse Lorentz Transformation Represented with Kronecker Deltas?

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The discussion revolves around the representation of the inverse Lorentz transformation using Kronecker deltas. The original poster attempts to express the relationship between Lorentz transformations and the identity matrix in terms of delta functions, questioning the validity of their approach.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between Lorentz transformations and Kronecker deltas, with some attempting to manipulate indices and others questioning the validity of these manipulations. There is also discussion about the implications of using delta functions in the context of geodesics and proper acceleration.

Discussion Status

Several participants provide feedback on the original poster's attempts, with some expressing confusion over the notation and others clarifying concepts related to local versus global Lorentz transformations. The conversation indicates a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the mathematical relationships involved.

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There is mention of the context being a general curved spacetime, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion of Lorentz transformations. The original poster also references specific equations and terms that may not be universally understood, indicating a potential gap in shared knowledge among participants.

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Homework Statement



##{\Lambda_c}^b## is a Lorentz transformation and ##{\Lambda^c}_b## is its inverse, so ##{\Lambda_c}^b {\Lambda^c}_b## gives an identity matrix.

How can I write this, assuming it's possible, in terms of ##\delta##'s ?


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##{\Lambda_a}^b {\Lambda_c}^a =\delta^b_c ##

Wrong.
 
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##\Lambda^{a}{}{}_{c}\Lambda^{c}{}{}_{b} = \delta^{a}{}{}_{b}##; it's just regular matrix multiplication.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
##\Lambda^{a}{}{}_{c}\Lambda^{c}{}{}_{b} = \delta^{a}{}{}_{b}##; it's just regular matrix multiplication.
OK, thanks. I wasn't too far off.
Can I use a ##\delta## to relabel these indexes ? Like

##{\Lambda_c}^b {\Lambda^d}_a {\delta_d}^c = {\delta^b}_a\ \Rightarrow\ {\Lambda_c}^b {\Lambda^d}_a {\delta_d}^c{\delta^d}_c = {\delta^b}_a {\delta^d}_c ##
 
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I can't parse what you wrote down because the indices are being summed over more than twice. But if you're asking if something like ##\Lambda^{a}{}{}_{c}\delta_{ab} = \Lambda_{bc}## is true then the answer is yes. Keep in mind that this is technically not index raising and lowering but rather just applying the definition of ##\delta_{ab}##. The two are different mathematical operations in spaces that aren't Euclidean.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
I can't parse what you wrote down because the indices are being summed over more than twice. But if you're asking if something like ##\Lambda^{a}{}{}_{c}\delta_{ab} = \Lambda_{bc}## is true then the answer is yes. Keep in mind that this is technically not index raising and lowering but rather just applying the definition of ##\delta_{ab}##. The two are different mathematical operations in spaces that aren't Euclidean.
Yes, I edited while you were writing and took out the raising/lowering.

I can also see now that what I wrote is not sensible. I'm actually trying to establish if for a geodesic ##u^a##

##{\Lambda_c}^b {\Lambda^d}_a u^c \nabla_b u_d = 0##

Messing ##\delta##s looks like a red-herring.
 
Is this an exercise from a textbook?
 
WannabeNewton said:
Is this an exercise from a textbook?
No. It comes from

[tex] \begin{align}<br /> \dot{v}_a &=\left({\Lambda_c}^b u^c \right)\nabla_b \left( {\Lambda^d}_a u_d \right)\\<br /> &= {\Lambda_c}^b {\Lambda^d}_a u^c \nabla_b u_d + {\Lambda_c}^b u^c u_d \nabla_b {\Lambda^d}_a<br /> \end{align}[/tex]
I reason that if ##\Lambda## is an inertial boost then both terms must be zero. But the first term does not depend in any way on this distinction ( no derivatives of ##\Lambda##) so it must be identically zero. Am I wrong ?
 
I really can't understand what you're doing. What is ##\dot{v}_a##? I assume since you're using ##\nabla## that this is a general curved space-time in which case ##\Lambda## must be a local Lorentz transformation which is different from a global Lorentz transformation of ##(\mathbb{R}^{4},\eta)##.
 
WannabeNewton said:
I really can't understand what you're doing. What is ##\dot{v}_a##? I assume since you're using ##\nabla## that this is a general curved space-time in which case ##\Lambda## must be a local Lorentz transformation which is different from a global Lorentz transformation of ##(\mathbb{R}^{4},\eta)##.
Sorry, ##v^a = {\Lambda_b}^a u^b## and ##\dot{v}_a## is its proper acceleration.

So, this is not the correct way to boost in curved spacetime ? I suppose I could take this into the frame field of ##u^\mu## in which case I can boost the basis, which is legitimate. Hmm.
 

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