How Is the Scalar Product of 4-Vectors Defined and Proven Lorentz Invariant?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and demonstration of the Lorentz invariance of the scalar product of 4-vectors, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation and the implications of transformations on these vectors.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the Lorentz invariance of the scalar product by substituting transformed 4-vectors into the scalar product formula. They express confusion regarding the outcome of their calculations.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, indicating a potential error in the substitution of the Lorentz factor. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical details involved in the transformation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly applying the definitions and transformations associated with 4-vectors, as well as the need for clarity in mathematical notation. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's struggle with the notation used in their posts.

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Homework Statement


If a and b are 4-vectors give the definition of the scalar product a.b and demonstrate its Lorentz invariance


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The Attempt at a Solution


So (with 4-vectors double underlined!)
a.b = a0b0-a1b1-a2b2-a3b3

a' = (a0*gamma - beta*gamma a1 , -ao*beta*gamma + a1* gamma, a2 , a3)
b' = (bo*gamma - beta*gamma b1, -bo*beta*gamma + b1* gamma, b2 , b3)

a'.b' = two brackets above multiplied together
=(aobo*gamma^2+a1b1*beta^2*gamma^2 -aob1*beta*gamma^2 - a1bo*gamma^2*beta)-(aobo*beta^2*gamma^2 - aob1*beta*gamma^2 - a1bo*beta*gamma^2 +a1b1*gamma^2) -a2b2-a3b3

=a0b0(gamma^2-beta^2*gamma^2) + a1b1(beta^2*gamma^2-gamma^2) - a^2b^2-a^3b^3
substituting gamma=(1-beta^2)^-0.5 gives
=aobo(1-2beta^2+beta^4)+a1b1(-beta+2beta^2-beta^4)-a2b2-a3b3

which doesn't equal a.b.!
Could someone please tell where I am going wrong. I am really confused
 
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captainjack2000 said:
=a0b0(gamma^2-beta^2*gamma^2) + a1b1(beta^2*gamma^2-gamma^2) - a^2b^2-a^3b^3
substituting gamma=(1-beta^2)^-0.5 gives
=aobo(1-2beta^2+beta^4)+a1b1(-beta+2beta^2-beta^4)-a2b2-a3b3

Hi CaptainJack,

Your error seems to be in making the above substitution... remember to take care of the negative sign in the exponent:

\gamma=(1-\beta^2)^{-0.5} \implies \gamma^2=\frac{1}{1-\beta^2}\neq1-\beta^2

:wink:
 
Hi captainjack2000! :smile:

This is your second post that I have found virtually unreadable …

can you please try to use β and γ, and the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box? :smile:
 
Oh thanks you..its just me being stupid!

Really sorry about that didn't notice them..will definitely use them next time!

thanks
 

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