How Is the Total Acceleration of a Car Calculated in Circular Motion?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total acceleration of a car moving in circular motion, specifically focusing on a scenario where the car starts from rest and accelerates along a circular path with a given radius and rate of velocity increase.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between tangential acceleration and centripetal acceleration, questioning whether these accelerations can be considered separately or combined. There are attempts to derive expressions for velocity and acceleration in polar coordinates, and participants discuss the implications of the car's engine acceleration ceasing after a certain time.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored regarding the nature of acceleration in circular motion. Some participants have provided insights into the vector nature of the different types of acceleration, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the car's acceleration after a specific time period.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the duration of the car's engine acceleration and how it interacts with centripetal acceleration. Participants are also considering the implications of the car's motion in terms of polar coordinates, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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A car starts from rest and travels along a circular path of radius 200 m. The magnitude of its velocity
increases at a rate of 2 m/s

After 10 s, what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the car (in m/s

my attempt:
v = 10*2 = 20m/s

would the acceleration that the car's undergoing be equal to the centripetal acceleration?
so would it be v^2/r ?
 
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Ry122 said:
A car starts from rest and travels along a circular path of radius 200 m. The magnitude of its velocity
increases at a rate of 2 m/s

After 10 s, what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the car (in m/s

my attempt:
v = 10*2 = 20m/s

would the acceleration that the car's undergoing be equal to the centripetal acceleration?
so would it be v^2/r ?

What is the general expression for velocity in plane polar coordinates? How about acceleration? Can you represent the statement "The magnitude of its velocity increases at a rate of 2 m/s" by an equation?
 
But you see, no longer is the car engine accelerating the vehicle after 10s and thus the only acceleration that I think might be acting on it at that point is the one keeping the car moving in circular motion ie. the centripetal acceleration.
 
Ry122 said:
But you see, no longer is the car engine accelerating the vehicle after 10s

Where does it say that?
 
You're right, it doesn't. So is it going to be the centripetal acceleration combined with the acceleration due to the car's engine?

The acceleration due to the car's engine would be a vector that is tangent to the edge of the circle it's traveling in while the centripetal acceleration vector would be perpendicular to the edge of the circle. Is this correct?
 
Well according to my knowledge, in rotational kinematics, acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. Therefore it should be centripedal acceleration.
 
hiuting said:
Well according to my knowledge, in rotational kinematics, acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. Therefore it should be centripedal acceleration.
Only centripetal acceleration is perpendicular to the velocity. That is not necessarily the total acceleration.
 
Ry122 said:
You're right, it doesn't. So is it going to be the centripetal acceleration combined with the acceleration due to the car's engine?

It depends on what you mean by "combined" each of these tyoes of acceleration are components of a vector (acceleration)...,.how do you determine the magnitude of a vector?

The acceleration due to the car's engine would be a vector that is tangent to the edge of the circle it's traveling in while the centripetal acceleration vector would be perpendicular to the edge of the circle. Is this correct?

Yes, you can see this by looking at the general expression for position, velocity and acceleration in polar coordinates:

\textbf{r}(t)=r(t)\textbf{e}_r

Now, \frac{d\textbf{e}_r}{dt}=\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{\theta} and \frac{d\textbf{e}_\theta}{dt}=-\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{r} , so

\textbf{v}(t)=\frac{d\textbf{r}}{dt}= \dot{r}\textbf{e}_r+r\dot{\theta}\textbf{e}_{\theta}

And

\textbf{a}(t) = \frac{d\textbf{v}}{dt}= (\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)\textbf{e}_r+(r\ddot{\theta}+2\dot{r}\dot{\theta})\textbf{e}_{\theta}

For circular motion, \dot{r}=\ddot{r}=0 and you see that the centripetal acceleration r\dot{\theta}^2 is directed radially inwards, and the tangential acceleration is r\dot{\theta}...the rate of change of the speed v=r\dot{\theta}[/itex]
 

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