How is the value of Pi calculated with extreme accuracy?

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The discussion centers on the methods and implications of calculating the value of Pi to extreme accuracy, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of its computation. Participants examine the relevance of precision in measurements and the mathematical series used to derive Pi.

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  • Some participants question whether the accuracy of Pi is solely dependent on the precision of measuring circumference and diameter.
  • Others argue that calculating Pi to many decimal places may not have practical significance, as current measurement instruments cannot achieve such precision.
  • Several participants reference mathematical series for calculating Pi, noting that some converge slowly and may not be the most efficient methods.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of a "reference value" of Pi and how it is determined, with mentions of error bounds in infinite series approximations.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the proofs related to the series for Pi, suggesting that while the series is easy to write, the underlying proofs may not be immediately obvious.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessity and significance of calculating Pi to extreme precision, with no consensus on the practical implications or the best methods for calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proofs of the series used to calculate Pi.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of accuracy and precision, as well as the unresolved nature of the proofs related to the series for Pi.

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When we say we know the value of Pi upto - say 1 billion position accuracy -, how exactly they calculate it? Is it as simple as Circumference / diameter and the whole accuracy of the value of Pi is completely dependent on the accuracy to measure circumference and diameter?
 
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I have no idea why anyone would calculate pi to that many places (or to a trillion decimal places, as has been done) since there is no instrument that could make measurements that precise.

Pi calculated to 39 decimal places is enough precision to determine the circumference of the observable universe to a precision equal to the radius of a hydrogen atom - provided of course that you could measure the diameter of the observable universe with a margin of error less than the radius of a hydrogen atom.
 
Bob, the reason for doing so is to show off how fast your computer is
 
gb7nash said:
Found from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

[tex]\pi = 4 \sum^\infty_{k=0}\frac{(-1)^k}{2k+1}[/tex]

Have fun.

mathman said:
This converges quite slowly. There are better ones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_π

These are estimations. My question is when they say the value of Pi is accurate to so and so number of digits with respect to the reference value of Pi, how did they come up with the reference value of Pi.
 
jobyts said:
These are estimations. My question is when they say the value of Pi is accurate to so and so number of digits with respect to the reference value of Pi, how did they come up with the reference value of Pi.

They're estimates of pi that are accurate to within 10-big number. For example, the infinite series converges exactly to pi, and because it's alternating you can get a bound on the error if you truncate it at only finitely many terms
 
Office_Shredder said:
They're estimates of pi that are accurate to within 10-big number. For example, the infinite series converges exactly to pi, and because it's alternating you can get a bound on the error if you truncate it at only finitely many terms

Ah, ok...got it. Thanks all.

The mentioned wikipage also states "While that series is easy to write and calculate, it is not immediately obvious why it yields π.".
Does that mean there no proof for the Pi series equation?
 
Office_Shredder said:
Bob, the reason for doing so is to show off how fast your computer is

I probably shouldn't make fun of calculating pi to an enormous number of digits, considering I once figured out that I could count up to 1,099,511,627,775 using my fingers and toes.

Seemed kind of impressive until I figured out a rough estimate of how long it would take to count that high. Then I decided I'd save that task until someone invented immortality.
 
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jobyts said:
Ah, ok...got it. Thanks all.
The mentioned wikipage also states "While that series is easy to write and calculate, it is not immediately obvious why it yields π.".
Does that mean there no proof for the Pi series equation?

No, it means that some proofs are not immediately obvious.

In my own case, hardly any proofs are immediately obvious.
 
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BobG said:
I probably shouldn't make fun of calculating pi to an enormous number of digits, considering I once figured out that I could count up to 1,099,511,627,775 using my fingers and toes.
Speaking of an enormous number of digits, it would appear that you have 40 fingers and toes, twice the usual number of the average Homo Sapiens.
 
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brocks said:
In my own case, hardly any proofs are immediately obvious.
:smile: :smile:
 

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