How Likely For Trait to be Preserved Across Large Population?

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The discussion revolves around the preservation of a specific trait, referred to as "Trait X," across a large population, particularly in the context of genetic inheritance and the impact of gene clustering. Participants explore mechanisms that might influence the retention of this trait after the population has interbred with others, considering both Mendelian and non-Mendelian factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if "Trait X" enhances reproductive success, it is more likely to propagate through the population.
  • Others question the mechanisms that might maintain "Trait X" once it has spread, particularly if it is not directly linked to reproductive advantages.
  • One participant mentions that inbreeding and selective breeding practices can preserve traits, using examples from animal and plant breeding.
  • Genetic drift is noted as a relevant factor in the fixation of alleles within a population.
  • Linkage disequilibrium is discussed as a mechanism that could preserve "Trait X" if it is genetically linked to positively selected alleles.
  • Historical or cultural factors leading to population expansion may also influence allele frequencies, as seen in specific populations like Quebecois or Afrikaans.
  • References to external resources, such as articles on allele fixation and the founder effect, are provided to support the discussion.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the original question, leading to multiple competing views on how traits might be preserved in a population. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the mechanisms involved.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of genetic terms and the complexity of interactions between genes, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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I'm trying to understand the impact of gene clustering on genetic inheritance, and to get an overall sense of what the state of knowledge is in this area (i.e., how much is currently unknown?)

By way of example, say an original group of geographically isolated people we now call "Spanish" had "Trait X"--that is some phenotype based on a number of different genes or potentially some clustering of genes that spread across the entire population.

Do we know with any certainty how likely it might be for "Trait X" to be preserved across all people who are related to original "Spanish" group (but who may have interbred with other historically geographically isolated populations?) For example, are there non-Mendelian mechanisms (currently known or potentially unknown) that might make preservation of the "Trait X" cluster more likely than other simple mendelian traits?

Thanks, Jon
 
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I'm not sure what you mean, but let's start with this:

If 'Trait X' gives its bearers the ability to reproduce more successfully than the alternatives (call them 'Traits somethingElse') then 'Trait X' is more likely to propagate through the whole population than is 'Traits somethingElse'.

I am not sure that is what you are asking.
 
No, my question is once the trait spreads through the population (and assume the trait is not directly related to improved reproduction); then, after that, the population is no longer isolated, are there mechanisms which might maintain the trait to a higher degree than would normally expected...
 
jon4444 said:
No, my question is once the trait spreads through the population (and assume the trait is not directly related to improved reproduction); then, after that, the population is no longer isolated, are there mechanisms which might maintain the trait to a higher degree than would normally expected...

I'm not a biologist but I'd find any mechanism, that maintains a trait not directly related to improved reproduction at a higher degree than normal, very interesting, regardless of whether the population is isolated or not.

Dods.
 
You are basically asking if genes will diffuse into the larger population, correct? Your question is a funny one because you're asking something most people would never bother to ask once they've understood Mendelian genetics.

I don't think this is the answer you are looking for: inbreeding, incest, Oedipal complex and whatnot can all preserve Trait-X. This is how animal breeders, such as fish and shrimp, breed unique forms of a species until it is no longer anything like the wild specimens. The same goes for plants and crops. Most common are the dog
breeds.
 
And genetic drift applies as well.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
If I'm interpreting your question correctly, you're asking about the probability that an allele will become fixed in a population. The following wikipedia article may be useful to you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_(population_genetics)

Thanks, that's a constructive response.

Now, once a set of genes become fixed in a population, could it be preserved once the population is no longer isolated, due to dynamics related to clustering, or how control genes (FKA "junk" DNA) interact with the Trait X genes?
 
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A way it can be preserved or increased in the population though not in itself having any selective advantage is when its locus genetically closely linked (close to) another gene with an alolele that is positively selected for. That is called linkage disequilibrium and can last centuries and millenia.

Another thing sometimes seen is the small untyical population expands greatly due to historical or cultural factors. Perhaps not quite that but nearly is the high frequency of some alleles that are not common in the general European population whence they ioriginated, amongst Quebecqois or Afrikaans.
 
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