How Likely Is It That Two Points on a Segmented Line Are Less Than 20cm Apart?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability that two randomly chosen points on a segmented line of length 60cm are less than 20cm apart. The context includes mathematical reasoning and probability theory, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem.

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  • One participant presents the problem of finding the probability that the distance between two points, chosen from independent halves of a 60cm line segment, is less than 20cm.
  • Another participant suggests modeling the points as random variables X and Y, both uniformly distributed over the interval [0, 30], and proposes finding P(X + Y < 20).
  • A third participant approximates the problem by considering discrete values for x and y, calculating the number of combinations that yield a sum less than 20, resulting in a probability of approximately 0.2185.
  • A later reply describes a geometric approach, suggesting to graph the possible values of (x,y) and calculate the area under a line representing the threshold distance of 20cm, leading to a probability of 2/9 or approximately 0.222, which the participant believes is consistent with the previous approximation.

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Participants present different methods and calculations for determining the probability, with no consensus reached on a single correct approach or result. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most accurate method or final probability value.

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Participants rely on different assumptions and approximations, such as treating the variables as continuous versus discrete, and the implications of uniform distribution. The calculations also depend on the interpretation of the problem's constraints.

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Consider a line segment of length 60cm, divided in half (30 cm/half). A point is randomly chosen from the first half of the line segment, and another point is randomly chosen from the second half of the line segment. What is the probability that the distance between the two points is less than 20cm?
 
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chrisphd said:
Consider a line segment of length 60cm, divided in half (30 cm/half). A point is randomly chosen from the first half of the line segment, and another point is randomly chosen from the second half of the line segment. What is the probability that the distance between the two points is less than 20cm?

From the information you have said, both points are chosen from independent parts of the string.

So consider X,Y ~ Uniform(30).

Lets say P(X = x) and P(Y = y) refers to the probability of getting a value x (or y) cm's from the center of the string. You can do this because of the nature of a uniform distribution.

That means that you have to find P(X + Y < 20).

Show us some working out and I will give you more hints.
 
Well...I am no physicist...I am just an engineer...so, for me this is good enough:

as an approximation...let's assume that x and y can only assume discrete values from 0 to 30...that's 31 possible values each, for a total of 31x31=961 possibilities

but when you add x and y, only 210 combinations add to < 20...

so Prob = 210/961 = 0.2185
 
let x be distance along 1st segment, and y be distance along 2nd segment. x and y are both random and independent, so we can treat them as a pair (x,y).
How do we work out the possible values of (x,y)? Draw a graph with x-axis and y axis, up to x=30 and y=30. All coordinates in this range correspond to possible (x,y) values.
Draw a straight line from (0,20) to (20,0). Everywhere along this line (eg. (20,0),(19,1) etc.) all have distance from each other equal to 20. Everywhere under this line is less than 20, and above greater than 20.

Area under this line = 20*20/2. Total area of possibility space = 30*30. Prob of distance less than 20 = 20*20/(2*30*30) = 2/9 = 0.222. This is consistent with engineers approximation so I think my method is right.

Thanks!
 

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