How Long Does It Take for a Handle to Become Unbearably Hot?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the heat transfer in a handle and how long it takes for one side to become unbearably hot. The problem involves concepts from thermodynamics and heat transfer, particularly focusing on temperature changes over time and distance.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between different temperature changes represented by ΔT and question how these relate to the spatial and temporal variables involved in the heat transfer process.

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Some participants have provided insights into the assumptions regarding temperature uniformity and the integration of temperature changes over time. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these assumptions, and participants are seeking clarification on the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about uniform temperature distribution and the nature of temperature changes as they relate to the heat source and the handle's initial temperature.

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The question below is asking how long it would take for the cooler side of the handle to heat up till its unbearably hot.
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I'm having a bit of trouble trying to understand the solution and would like some guidance.

I can't seem to get how the ##\Delta T ## that represents the change in the cooler handle's average temperature is related to ##\Delta T## that came from ##T - T_h##.

For example, if I had some spatial variable ##x##, and ##dx## represents a small change in ##x##, it makes sense to integrate over ##xdx##.

In this case ##\Delta T ## represents a function of the difference in temperature from end to end, and ##d \Delta T ## doesn't seem like it's a small change of that function.

Could someone guide me towards the right interpretation? Thanks!

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Hello,

You are right about this, ΔT is not the same in both sides of the equation.
In addition, T will be a function of x too, warmer near the second (hot) block and cooler in the other end.

But let's assume that T (in the handle block) is uniform and T is a function of time only (and not of distance). And let's assume that Δx=l/2 (the distance in which heat is transferred). Then the final equation is $$\frac {d(T-T_0)} {dt} = - \frac {T-T_h} {\tau}$$
where T0 is the initial temperature of the handle block.

It seems that we can integrate this equation without problems because d(T-T0)=dT=d(T-Th) So, if we substitute d(T-T0) with d(T-Th) and separate the equation, we get $$\frac {d(T-T_h)} {T-T_h} = - \frac {dt} {\tau}$$ FInally, if we substitute T-Th=ΔT, we get the same solution for ΔΤ (ΔT0=T0-Th).
 
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DoItForYourself said:
Hello,

You are right about this, ΔT is not the same in both sides of the equation.
In addition, T will be a function of x too, warmer near the second (hot) block and cooler in the other end.

But let's assume that T (in the handle block) is uniform and T is a function of time only (and not of distance). And let's assume that Δx=l/2 (the distance in which heat is transferred). Then the final equation is $$\frac {d(T-T_0)} {dt} = - \frac {T-T_h} {\tau}$$
where T0 is the initial temperature of the handle block.

It seems that we can integrate this equation without problems because d(T-T0)=dT=d(T-Th) So, if we substitute d(T-T0) with d(T-Th) and separate the equation, we get $$\frac {d(T-T_h)} {T-T_h} = - \frac {dt} {\tau}$$ FInally, if we substitute T-Th=ΔT, we get the same solution for ΔΤ (ΔT0=T0-Th).
Hi there, apologies for the delayed reply as I have been working on some other things recently.

Is this to say that the small increase in temperature of the cooler bit from its original temperature ##d(T - T_0)## is also a small increase of temperature towards ##T_h## as given by ##\Delta T = T - T_h##?

Thanks for assisting!
 
WWCY said:
Hi there, apologies for the delayed reply as I have been working on some other things recently.

Is this to say that the small increase in temperature of the cooler bit from its original temperature ##d(T - T_0)## is also a small increase of temperature towards ##T_h## as given by ##\Delta T = T - T_h##?

Thanks for assisting!

Yes, because T0 and Th are constants.
 

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