How Long Does it Take the Moon to Orbit the Earth?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the time it takes for the Moon to orbit the Earth, specifically addressing the difference between the sidereal month and the synodic month, and the implications of these measurements in lunar cycles and calendars.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Moon takes 27.4 days to complete an orbit around the Earth but questions why the interval between full moons is 29.5 days.
  • Another participant explains that the 27 days refers to the sidereal month, which is measured against the stars, while the 29 days refers to the synodic month, measured against the sun, highlighting the Earth's movement in its orbit.
  • A participant provides a mathematical relationship to calculate the synodic month based on the sidereal month and the Earth's orbital period.
  • Another contribution discusses the concept of a solar month as one-twelfth of a solar year and introduces the idea of a "blue moon" period in the context of luni-solar calendars.
  • One participant presents a calculation involving angular velocities to derive the synodic month from the sidereal month and the Earth's orbital period.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple perspectives on the definitions and calculations of lunar months, with no consensus reached on the implications for lunar calendars or the significance of the differences between the sidereal and synodic months.

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The discussion includes various mathematical formulations and assumptions regarding the definitions of sidereal and synodic months, as well as the relationship between the Moon's orbit and the Earth's orbit around the sun, which may not be fully resolved.

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If it takes the moon 27.4 days to complete one orbit about the Earth, why does it take 29.5 days between a full moon to full moon cycle? Any mathematical proof would be helpful, thanks.
 
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The difference is that 27 days is a SIDEREAL month, that is measured with respect to the stars. There are 29 days in a SOLAR month, measured with respect to the sun. Since the Earth moves in its orbit over the period of a month, the sun moves with respect to the stars, thus the sidereal month differs from the solar month.
 
The Solar month is also known as the synodic month.

The relationship can be found by

[tex]month_{synodic} = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{month_{sidereal}}- \frac{1}{year_{Earth}}}[/tex]
 
solar month

A solar month can be taken to mean 1 / 12th of a solar year. Then the mean-intercalary-month-period can be calculated by a formula much like that given by Janus. In other words, how long does it take for the ( shorter ) synodic month to take a lap on the ( longer ) solar month? This would be the "blue moon" period. It's about 33 or 34 months. These notions are important in luni-solar calendars that require a 13th month added to an otherwise 12 synodic month year.
 
If you take an Earth day as a unit, then the moon cycles the Earth at period of 27.5 day, in turn, the Earth cycles the sun at 366,2425 day and at the same direction. So relatively, the moon cycles the Earth (consider the Earth as a frame) at the period of :

w=w1-w2 where w1 = 1/27.5 and w2 = 1/365.2425 (w, w1 and w2 = angular velocities)
So T = 1/w = ~29.5 days.
 

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