How Long is a Piece of String When Measured Infinitely?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of measuring the length of a piece of string, particularly in the context of infinite measurement and the relativity of length. Participants explore theoretical implications of zooming in on the string to examine its structure at various scales, questioning whether this leads to an infinite length or if physical limitations exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the length of a piece of string is relative and can be perceived differently depending on the scale of measurement, raising questions about the possibility of zooming in infinitely.
  • Another participant questions the assertion that mathematicians consider a piece of string to be infinite in length.
  • A participant argues that zooming in on the string does not change its overall length, providing an example of a string with a finite number of atoms that defines its length.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of fractal geometry, suggesting that measuring at different scales could reveal more complexity, but asserts that physical objects have limits at the atomic scale.
  • A later reply humorously states that the distance from one end of the string to the middle is exactly twice the distance, implying a straightforward interpretation of length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether zooming in affects the perceived length of the string, with some asserting that it does not while others explore the implications of fractal geometry. There is no consensus on the nature of length in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical concepts and physical limitations without resolving the implications of these ideas. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of measurement and the properties of physical objects.

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I know the conventional way to answer this question is to measure its length in cm.

But then I thought everything is relative to another thing so the length of the piece of string is X cm relative to me but what if you zoom in on a section of string and measure the twists and turns... Then go further until you reach the atomic level.

Is it possible to zoom in further and further? Is there a limit you reach until you can't go any smaller? If so, why was the limit that size and what caused it?

I know mathamaticians consider a piece of string infinite in length but why doesn't it appear infinite to us? Is it because everything is relative? So if I was a microbe on that string all I would see theoretically is string... So maybe we exist on a piece of string much smaller than the microbe.

So maybe it's possible to zoom in an infinite distance until you reach a limit that's infinitely large like another universe that exists on that piece of string...

Why is it only strings that can be infinite? Why can't a piece of hair? a watch or piece of chicken?

I'm confused!
 
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studentxlol said:
I know mathamaticians consider a piece of string infinite in length
They do?
 
studentxlol said:
I know the conventional way to answer this question is to measure its length in cm.

But then I thought everything is relative to another thing so the length of the piece of string is X cm relative to me but what if you zoom in on a section of string and measure the twists and turns... Then go further until you reach the atomic level.

Is it possible to zoom in further and further? Is there a limit you reach until you can't go any smaller? If so, why was the limit that size and what caused it?

I know mathamaticians consider a piece of string infinite in length but why doesn't it appear infinite to us? Is it because everything is relative? So if I was a microbe on that string all I would see theoretically is string... So maybe we exist on a piece of string much smaller than the microbe.

So maybe it's possible to zoom in an infinite distance until you reach a limit that's infinitely large like another universe that exists on that piece of string...

Why is it only strings that can be infinite? Why can't a piece of hair? a watch or piece of chicken?

I'm confused!

definitely some strange assumptions there

I can't really see how zooming in on it would make any difference to how long it is
take a piece of string 1mm thick and 1metre (1000mm) long
for argument sake let's say for that diameter and length it takes 1 billion atoms
zooming in on a microscopic scale isn't going to make any difference ... its still going to be 1 billion atoms from end to end

and by that reasoning, it doesn't matter what the material is, a bit of string, a hair, a length of metal... It has a finite size because it has a finite number of atoms making it up

Dave
 
davenn said:
I can't really see how zooming in on it would make any difference to how long it is

I think he has fractal geometry in mind- like measuring the length of a coastline at different scales. Zooming in would reveal more twists, humps, crinkles, etc. And if one were dealing with a purely idealized mathematical object that was self-similar at every scale, then it would be infinite in length. However, it is a physical object and there is a limit at the atomic scale.
 
It's exactly twice the distance from one end to the middle.
 

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