How Long Must a Runway Be for a 727 Jet to Take Off?

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The discussion revolves around determining the required length of a runway for a 727 jet to take off, given its acceleration to a takeoff speed of 200 mph within 30 seconds. The subject area includes kinematics and motion under constant acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss converting units of speed and calculating acceleration. There are attempts to derive equations for velocity and distance, with some participants questioning the initial conditions and constants involved in the equations.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the problem setup, with some participants offering guidance on how to approach the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct coefficients and the implications of initial and final speeds.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the initial speed of the jet and the calculation of acceleration. There is also mention of the importance of defining the starting point of the runway in relation to the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 727 jet needs to attain a speed of 200 mph to take off. It it can accelerate from 0 to 200 mph in 30 seconds, how long must the runway be?

The Attempt at a Solution


First I converted mi/hr to mi/sec
200mi/hr * 1hr/60min * 1min/60sec = 0.056 mi/sec
and since accerelation is 0.045
v(t) =0.056t +C

and since the initial speed is 200mph (=0.045mps)
v(0)= 0+C= 0.056
v(t) = 0.056t + 0.056

then I integrated it s(t)=0.028t^2 +0.056t+C
but what do I do next?
I am stuck on finding the distance because I don't know how to find the constant.
 
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What about calling the start of the runway s = 0?
Basically, it's exactly the same question as here, so I'll expand a bit on my answer there.
 
ada0713 said:

Homework Statement


A 727 jet needs to attain a speed of 200 mph to take off. It it can accelerate from 0 to 200 mph in 30 seconds, how long must the runway be?

The Attempt at a Solution


First I converted mi/hr to mi/sec
200mi/hr * 1hr/60min * 1min/60sec = 0.056 mi/sec
and since accerelation is 0.045
v(t) =0.056t +C
??The acceleration is not "0.045" (I don't know where you got that figure!) nor is it 0.056 mi/sec because that is the final speed. If it goes from 0 to 200mi/hr= 0.056 mi/sec in 30 sec then it's acceleration is 0.056/30 m/sec2.

and since the initial speed is 200mph (=0.045mps)
v(0)= 0+C= 0.056
v(t) = 0.056t + 0.056
No, the initial speed is NOT 200 mph- that's the final speed. It starts at 0 mph.

then I integrated it s(t)=0.028t^2 +0.056t+C
but what do I do next?
I am stuck on finding the distance because I don't know how to find the constant.

Once you have the correct coefficients, you evaluate that at t= 30 seconds. (You were told it needs to accelerate to 200 mph and it can do that in 30 seconds.) Don't worry about the constant. Either take the initial position to be 0 or, since you are only interested in how far the jet goes, subtract its postion at t= 0 (which will be just "C") from it's position at t= 30- which means the "C" cancels out.

By the way, there's a much easier way to do this problem. If something accelerates at a constant rate, it "average speed" is just the average of the initial and final speeds. Here the initial speed is 0 and the final speed is 200 mph. What was its average speed? How far will it go in 30 seconds at that average speed?
 
0.045 was a typo. sorry about that:)
so,,
Vo=0, Vf=0.056, and a=0.056/30=0.0019.

then, I set
V(t)=0.0019t+Vo
V(30)=0.0019*30+Vo=0.056
therefore Vo=0 (I guess I didn't even have to plug 30 back in t since
the initial velocity has to be zero anyway since it would've started from the rest,,)

so V(t)= 0.0019t
and s(t)=0.00095t^2+C

s(30)-s(0)= (0.855+C)-C

therefore runway has to be 0.855 miles long.
Does the answer seem right?
 

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