How long until the next global war?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential for future global conflicts, exploring various factors that could lead to such events. Participants consider historical precedents, societal conditions, and geopolitical dynamics, with a focus on both theoretical and speculative aspects of warfare.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that the increasing global population and resource scarcity, particularly regarding clean water and food, could lead to inevitable conflicts.
  • Others propose that the Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention suggests that economic interdependence may prevent traditional warfare, although they acknowledge this is not absolute.
  • A participant humorously claims personal authority over decisions regarding war, reflecting a lighter tone amidst serious discussions.
  • Several participants speculate on the causes of potential civil wars in the US and Europe, citing racial and economic discord as historical triggers.
  • Some argue that the likelihood of civil war in the US is minimal due to the strength of its military compared to independent militias, while others believe that economic dissatisfaction could lead to unrest.
  • One participant challenges the notion of unsustainability due to overpopulation, arguing that advancements in technology and resource management could mitigate these concerns.
  • There are references to ongoing global tensions, such as perceived conflicts between Islam and the West, and the potential for future confrontations between major powers like China and the US.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the likelihood or nature of future global conflicts. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the causes and potential outcomes of such conflicts, indicating a complex and unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about societal stability, resource availability, and historical patterns of conflict, which remain unexamined and unresolved within the discussion.

  • #31
You raise some good points. My $0.02:

LennoxLewis said:
It's been more than 60 years since the last world war. Society has become more globalized than ever. We (the Western world) are living in more luxury than kings were, a century ago*. (*Might be a slight exaggeration, but you get the point.)

I think it's more than "slight." I enjoy a normal, non-drafty, temperature-controlled two-bedroom apartment, with hot and cold running water, dishwasher, and washer and dryer. So, some of the creature comforts are better than those in a medevil castle.

But are they really, especially for a king? I've been to several castles, and many were dark, damp, and musty. But others were far better, although I don't know if it's because they'd been converted into museums, along with central air (which I suspect). But what about my having to cook, clean, and do laundry for myself? No king does that! Then again, I don't have to deal with tedious affairs of state or dangerous conquests, either.

The Western society is based on the ridiculously low prices of transportation for almost all resources, most importantly food. I think the chain can easily been broken and war is inevitable.

The more we wean ourselves from fossil fuels, the less we're exposed to a colossal breakage of that chain, and the less liklihood of another global war.

This is not to mention how our weapons are more effective and deadly than ever before in history.

I would argue they're more precise, capable of accomplishing the same task with many times less collateral damage. Why bomb entire rail yards when you can simply take out each of the locomotives and facilities used to repair them?

Although it's not exactly a daily issue for me, I very much doubt we're going through the first half of this century without a major conflict. Opinions?

I think we can avoid it, provided we stop monkeying around. Nuclear, wind, and solar - now, before it's too late.
 

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