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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the floor function multiplied by an exponential decay, specifically \(\int_{0}^{\infty}\lfloor{x}\rfloor e^{-x}dx\). The participants are exploring the implications of the floor function within the context of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the floor function within the integral but struggles with the discrete nature of the function and its interaction with the exponential term. Some participants suggest integrating over specific intervals where the floor function takes constant values and summing the results. Others express difficulty in proceeding with the integration, questioning the feasibility of integrating the function as presented.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing different approaches to tackle the integral, with some suggesting interval-based integration as a potential method. There is recognition of the challenges posed by the floor function, and while no consensus has been reached, the conversation is focused on exploring viable strategies.

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There is an indication that traditional analytic techniques may not be effective for this problem, and participants are considering the implications of the floor function's discrete nature on the integration process.

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Integrating Floor Function

Homework Statement


If [tex]\lfloor{x}\rfloor[/tex] denotes the greatest integer not exceeding x, then [tex]\int_{0}^{\infty}\lfloor{x}\rfloor e^{-x}dx=[/tex]

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I don't know how to start this problem. At first, I tried bringing the floor function outside of the integral and using a summation because it only takes on discrete values, then I realized that those discrete values get multiplied by the exponential infinitely many times as x varies from any integer to the integer that is one greater.

I've tried the product rule. I looked up both the derivative and the indefinite integral of the floor function. If I use [tex]u=\lfloor{x}\rfloor[/tex], du=0 and I get back the original integral. If I use [tex]dv=\lfloor{x}\rfloor[/tex], the integral just gets more complicated.
 
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You aren't going to have much luck with the usual analytic techniques. Integrate it over the interval [n,n+1] for n an integer. So the floor function has a definite value. Then sum over n.
 
Dick said:
You aren't going to have much luck with the usual analytic techniques. Integrate it over the interval [n,n+1] for n an integer. So the floor function has a definite value. Then sum over n.

The problem I'm having is that I can't integrate this at all. I'm not even at the step where I fiddle with the limits of integration/take sums yet.
 
darkchild said:
The problem I'm having is that I can't integrate this at all. I'm not even at the step where I fiddle with the limits of integration/take sums yet.

You can't integrate a function like f(x)=n*e^(-x) where n is a constant? What's the integral for x=2 to x=3 of floor(x)*e^(-x)? Where I'm writing 'floor' for the function instead of the funny brackets.
 
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