How many believes in Quantum Immortality ?

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The discussion revolves around the thought experiment of Quantum Immortality as proposed by Max Tegmark within the context of the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of MWI, the nature of consciousness, and the philosophical and ethical considerations surrounding the concept of immortality in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about Quantum Immortality, questioning why Tegmark has not tested the theory on himself.
  • Others argue that if MWI is true, it would imply a form of immortality, suggesting one cannot truly die, which they find troubling.
  • There are claims that MWI is not true, with references to decoherence explaining macroscopic states, such as a cat being either alive or dead.
  • Some participants assert that the Copenhagen interpretation is outdated and that consciousness does not play a role in quantum mechanics, emphasizing objective reality instead.
  • One participant defends MWI, stating that all empirical evidence for quantum mechanics supports MWI and that other interpretations lack mechanisms for wavefunction collapse.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of empirical evidence for MWI and the philosophical implications of believing in parallel universes.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of observers in quantum mechanics, with some arguing that the concept of death contradicts the idea of observers being configurations of matter that can exist across multiple universes.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of MWI, stating that it has not been proven true or false, and that decoherence is integral to its explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views, with no consensus on the validity of Quantum Immortality or MWI. Disagreements persist regarding the implications of these theories, the role of consciousness, and the interpretation of quantum mechanics.

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Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence for MWI and Quantum Immortality, as well as unresolved philosophical questions about the nature of reality and the observer in quantum mechanics.

Quantum Immortality possible?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 9.1%
  • No

    Votes: 29 65.9%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • Total voters
    44
  • #31
vanesch said:
Ah, that's where we differ then. I think you can, but that by the symmetry of the situation, no *outside observer* can. .. I would think that I would know very well in which body I am
That's interesting that we differ here, but then I'd like to understand why you think so, ie which is the basis which would allow me subjectively to know that I am still in body 1?

vanesch said:
Exactly, and that's my goal: my copy will go to jail for my crimes, and will even feel guilty about it, thinking that the machine didn't work!
Yes, but you can't call it "my copy" like if you were the original "me". Just "one random instance of me".

vanesch said:
Yes, right, but I wouldn't personally give a damn about *another guy* (copy of me) enjoying my treasure, not more than I would enjoy my twin doing so! My aim would be to have a copy of me (which is, for me, a totally different person with same memory and so on, but whose wanders in life I don't care about) go to jail instead of myself (= the body I'm living my subjective experiences with).
In this case, if you look at yourself in a movie made 10 years ago about, say, yourself falling off a banana peel (event which you had forgot in the meantime), you may find that you look pretty much like your (young) twin in that movie. If you didn't know it's a movie of you, then you would also say you don't give a damn about that guy falling.
 
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  • #32
The actual solution to the quantum immortality paradox requires the understanding of what "consciousness" is.

People generally accept (without proof, however) that consciousness can change over time - we imagine that we are "the same person" as a minute or an hour or a year ago. This perception of sameness continues even after most of the atoms in the body have been exchanged with new ones - though in truth the elementary particles of these atoms always were one and the same as all others of their kind. If we consider that this is not true, then we would conclude that while we possesses false memories of a "past", that those past consciousnesses never actually became us - they either perished instantly or verged into parallel universes where nothing ever changed in their environment, forever.

I hypothesize that neither that model is true, nor is the model that we are only "the same as" the consciousness in our past and future body. Rather, all consciousness in all places in the cosmos is the manifestation of a single phenomenon, and there is therefore no driving force for the physicist performing the suicide experiment to continue only in a few rare universes. In all the universes his consciousness actually continues in all conscious beings, and so he is just as likely to continue in one as the other. You can visualize that in the suicide-universe, he "jumps into" the memories and body of the person beside him, but this is a mistaken picture. He always was the person beside him.
 
  • #33
How could he continue in some other universe with the knowledge that he killed himself? Either he would continue in a universe where he does not know that he killed himself. Or he would continue in a universe where he could no longer die because he would be alive with the knowledge that he died, and that would not be the same type of reality he has now. Instead it would be some kind of heaven or hell or purgator
 
  • #34
Well, since the entire multiverse is timeless, the state you find yourself in at any particular "local time" is, in a certain sense, "eternal".
 
  • #35
the cool part is knowing that some day we will know who is right, or we will nothing
 

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