How Many Moles of BaCO3 Dissolve in Water Given Kc?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of how many moles of BaCO3 dissolve in water, given the equilibrium constant (Kc) for the dissociation reaction. Participants are attempting to solve a homework problem involving the equilibrium expression and unit conversions related to concentration and moles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equilibrium expression Kc = (Ba2+)(CO3 2-) = 5.7E-6 and attempts to solve for the number of moles of BaCO3 that dissolve.
  • Another participant points out that the value 0.002387 is not the number of moles, suggesting a misunderstanding of units.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the importance of checking units, with multiple participants indicating that dividing by 5L was incorrect for determining moles.
  • One participant mentions that they calculated 5.7E-6 = x² and solved for x, leading to confusion about the meaning of x in the context of the equilibrium expression.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between concentration (mol/L) and the number of moles, with a focus on the correct interpretation of the Kc expression.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correct approach to solving the problem, particularly in relation to unit conversions and the interpretation of the equilibrium constant. There is no consensus on the correct method to arrive at the number of moles of BaCO3 that dissolve.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding unit conversions and the application of the equilibrium expression. There is confusion regarding the relationship between concentration and the number of moles, particularly in the context of the volume of water used.

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Homework Statement


Excess BaCO3 is placed in a container containing 5L of pure water. Given the following info:
BaCO3 (s) ↔ Ba2+ + CO3 2- and Kc = 5.7E-6
how many moles of BaCO3 dissolve?

Homework Equations


Kc=(Ba2+ )(CO3 2- ) = 5.7E-6

The Attempt at a Solution


solved for x to get .002387 moles/5L which is incorrect. Dividing by 5L gives me .000477 moles. The correct answer is .012 and I am unsure what I have done wrong. It seemed simple enough. Could someone tell me what to do?
 
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0.002387 is not number of moles.
 
Borek said:
0.002387 is not number of moles.
I forgot to add my last step but I know. It's the moles per liter. If I divide by 5 it gives me .000477 moles which is also not correct.
 
Not a Wrench said:
.000477 moles

No, it is not moles. Check your units.

Randomly juggling numbers is NEVER a good approach to solving problems.
 
Borek said:
No, it is not moles. Check your units.

Randomly juggling numbers is NEVER a good approach to solving problems.
Then what is x supposed to be? I was under the impression that the number by which it BaCO3 decreases is equal to the x that each of the products increases by.
 
So you are solving for x not knowing what it is? That's randomly juggling numbers, I told you it doesn't work.

You have calculated something in your first post. What it was? Can you post your whole solution?
 
Borek said:
So you are solving for x not knowing what it is? That's randomly juggling numbers, I told you it doesn't work.

You have calculated something in your first post. What it was? Can you post your whole solution?
Borek said:
So you are solving for x not knowing what it is? That's randomly juggling numbers, I told you it doesn't work.

You have calculated something in your first post. What it was? Can you post your whole solution?
Yeah, all I did was calculate 5.7E-6 = x2 and solved for x which got me to .002387. Isn't its units M/5L because the container contains 5L of water?
 
Not a Wrench said:
Isn't its units M/5L

No, that's not how units work. Units don't contain numbers (or, if anything, we assume all numbers to be equal to 1). Besides, typically by M we denote molar concentration (which has its own units, mol/L ← an important hint here!), not number of moles.

Not a Wrench said:
5.7E-6 = x2

What is x intended to mean in this equation?
 
Borek said:
No, that's not how units work. Units don't contain numbers (or, if anything, we assume all numbers to be equal to 1). Besides, typically by M we denote molar concentration (which has its own units, mol/L ← an important hint here!), not number of moles.
What is x intended to mean in this equation?
The Kc equation contains (Ba2+ )(CO32- ) and they both gain x per the ice chart so therefore Kc = x2
 
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And what you mean by (Ba2+) (or (CO32-))?
 
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Borek said:
And what you mean by (Ba2+) (or (CO32-))?
Those are the products in the equilibrium. But I figured it out, anyways. I was dividing by 5L of water when I should have been multiplying by 5L because I needed to eliminate that 5L in the denominator and get moles by itself!
 
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Not a Wrench said:
Those are the products in the equilibrium.

These are CONCENTRATIONS. And concentration has units of mol/L. Per ONE liter, not per 5 liters.

When you divided by 5 L you got the result in mol/L2 units - these don't make sense, but you have never checked so you were not able to spot the mistake.
 
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Borek said:
These are CONCENTRATIONS. And concentration has units of mol/L. Per ONE liter, not per 5 liters.

When you divided by 5 L you got the result in mol/L2 units - these don't make sense, but you have never checked so you were not able to spot the mistake.
I know, thank you for the hint.
 

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