How many string theories with more than one supersymmetry?

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The discussion revolves around the existence and characteristics of string theories that possess more than one supersymmetry. Participants explore the implications of these theories in different dimensions, particularly focusing on the conditions required to avoid conformal anomalies and the phenomenological relevance of various supersymmetry configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in 10 dimensions, theories can have 0, 1, or 2 supersymmetries, as classified by Nahm, while in 4 dimensions, the range extends from 0 to 8 supersymmetries.
  • There is a proposal that only theories with N=1 and 0 supersymmetries may be phenomenologically relevant due to their ability to accommodate chiral fermions.
  • One participant clarifies that they are specifically referring to string theories modeled by a sigma model without conformal anomalies, questioning how many anomaly-free theories exist for configurations with 2 or more supersymmetries.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of world-sheet supersymmetries, indicating that combinations of right- and left-moving sectors can lead to various configurations, including those in type-II and heterotic strings.
  • The existence of N=2 strings is mentioned, which have a critical dimension of four, but this dimension does not correspond to conventional Minkowski spacetime.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the interpretation of dimensions in string theory, suggesting that counting dimensions can lead to confusion about the fundamental nature of various theories.
  • Participants discuss the implications of non-perturbative relationships and the limitations of using world-sheet concepts to describe string theory, particularly regarding the 11-dimensional membrane theory and F-theory.
  • There is a debate about the interpretation of compactified dimensions and their role in string theory, with some arguing that many 4D theories do not correspond to compactifications of 10D theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and interpretation of dimensions in string theory, particularly concerning the relationship between higher-dimensional theories and their lower-dimensional counterparts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these various supersymmetry configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the definitions and interpretations of dimensions and supersymmetries can be ambiguous and context-dependent. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of string theories and their dimensional properties.

  • #31
suprised said:
In fact the role of K-theory in string physics is somewhat overrated and doesn't play an important role beyond cohomology, so I would advise anybody not to waste time by studying papers on K-theory, unless she really wants to understand subtleties in defining D-brane charges and similar.

It was later argued that K-Theory is not enough, you have to consider elliptic-cohomology, which is one step further in complexity, since it deals with curves on a torus, or lattice. According to what I sent you, K-theory cannot classify 3-form fields with torsion.

And if I don't classify what the fields are, how can I find what is m-theory?
 
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  • #32
MTd2 said:
It was later argued that K-Theory is not enough, you have to consider elliptic-cohomology, which is one step further in complexity, since it deals with curves on a torus, or lattice. According to what I sent you, K-theory cannot classify 3-form fields with torsion.

And if I don't classify what the fields are, how can I find what is m-theory?

Well I have seen claims but right now I don't know of any concrete use of elliptic cohomology in M-theory. It sounds more like a wish list for math concepts to be applied somewhere in physics (and yes, there are plenty). I studied a few papers of Sati et al but really couldn't get anywhere.

I know somewhat better the K-theory story in relation to D-branes, and you could say the same thing: how could one possibly understand D-branes without K-theory? However indeed K-theory doesn't play an important role beyond cohomology. In other words, cohomology is about RR-charges of branes and open strings (which are certainly important) but essentially what K-theroy adds for physicists is torsion pieces to charges, for example Z_2 factors (concretely, this boils down for example that certain orientifold planes are labelled by some extra signs, +/-). This by itself isn't just particularly important.

My suspicion is that many people believe that K-theory must be important because some renowned people worked on it and it sounds cool. But in all the many years since it has been introduced in physics, I wouldn't know about any single truly important application. In fact K-theory is just the poor man's version of derived categories, and this is a much better way to understand brane-antibrane annihilation, tachyon condensation and so on. For example, all D0 branes are equal in K-theory, which just knows about their total charge; but in the category also the location of the D0 branes play a role, and so can distinguish if two D0 branes sit on different places or are on top of each other (and can bind or whatever).

So while all of this seems interesting in one way or other, and certainly is of some conceptional relevance, I would think that there are some more down-to-earth things to study which would be more worthwhile to study!
 
  • #33
suprised said:
Well I have seen claims but right now I don't know of any concrete use of elliptic cohomology in M-theory. It sounds more like a wish list for math concepts to be applied somewhere in physics (and yes, there are plenty). I studied a few papers of Sati *et al* but really couldn't get anywhere.

But, have you been following "et al"? One of those is Urs Schreiber! That's why a large number of n-category cafe posts is about this. I guess that's why I came across this kind of thing.

But what kind of down to Earth thing do you mean?
 

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