How many types of protons? (^1 H NMR)

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The discussion focuses on the identification of proton types in two organic compounds using ^1H NMR analysis. For compound 1, CH3CH2OCH2CH2CH2CH2CH3, the consensus is that there are seven unique proton environments, despite initial confusion regarding the influence of the oxygen atom on shielding. In compound 2, CH3CH2CO2CH2CH3, participants debate the number of unique protons, with the solutions manual claiming four types, while some argue for two due to molecular symmetry. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding molecular structure and the effects of functional groups on proton environments in NMR spectroscopy.

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Homework Statement


How many types of protons are present?



Homework Equations




compound 1:

CH3CH2OCH2CH2CH2CH2CH3

and

compound 2:

CH3CH2CO2CH2CH3

The Attempt at a Solution



Compound 1:

Arbitrarily assigning hydrogens which see a unique environment, left to right as appropriate.

CH3(A)CH2(B)OCH2(C)CH2(D)CH2(D)CH2(E)CH3(A)

My solutions manual claims that there are seven types of 1H in this molecule. I was under the impression that the high electron affinity of the oxygen will only deshield atoms ~1 sigma bond away. Is this impression false?

Compound 2:

First of all, this structural formula appears to me to describe an impossible molecule. Neither O atom has enough bonds to satisfy their "octet", yet to meet this criteria would require an isomer.

Moreover, even if I draw this out as described, using the method above:

CH3(A)CH2(B)CO2CH2(B)CH3(A)

Noting the symmetry of the molecule, I see two types of 1H, but my solutions manual claims four.

Where am I going wrong?
 
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1 - it is not only oxygen that changes shielding, you have to look at the other end - and clearly -CH3 is different form -C5H11

2 - have you ever heard about esters?
 
Thank you for the hint on looking at esters--we've only just scratched carboxylic/carbonyls. But drawing it in ester form makes sense.

re #1:

It's not clear to me why the "D" hydrogens aren't the same. All of the "D" hydrogens each "see" four hydrogens on adjacent carbons across the C-C sigma bond.
 
They are very similar, but NMR is not about only the closest proximity (although the closest is the most important).
 

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