How Many Valence Electrons Does Nitrogen Use in an NH4 Bond?

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The discussion revolves around the number of valence electrons that nitrogen uses in the formation of bonds within the ammonium ion (NH4+). Participants explore concepts related to valence electrons, bonding in ammonia, and the Lewis structure representation of these molecules.

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  • One participant asks about the number of valence electrons nitrogen uses in the NH4 bond.
  • Another participant points out the importance of the charge and clarifies that NH4+ has four bonds between atoms.
  • A participant mentions that the question was rephrased from an ACE practice test, originally asking about nitrogen's valence electrons in ammonia.
  • There is a discussion about the Lewis structure of ammonia, with one participant attempting to illustrate the bonding.
  • Participants discuss the number of valence electrons nitrogen has before bonding (5) and the number of valence electrons for hydrogen (1 each).
  • One participant concludes that nitrogen shares 3 electrons with the three hydrogen atoms, leading to a lone pair remaining.
  • A clarification is made regarding the correct spelling of "valence" in the context of the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the concept of nitrogen sharing electrons with hydrogen in ammonia, but there is some confusion regarding the terminology and the representation of the molecule. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial question about the NH4 bond.

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There are limitations in the understanding of the question's phrasing and the representation of ammonia, as well as potential misunderstandings regarding the Lewis structure.

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I have a school quiz very soon, and I am having much troubles with the reviews. Can you help please.

In the NH4 bond, how many valance electrons does the N use?
 
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No such thing as NH4 (charge is important), and also there is no such thing as "NH4 bond" - in the NH4+ there are four bonds between atoms.

Try to draw the Lewis structure.
 
I emailed my teacher, and she said that she rephrased the question from an ACE practice test. The original question was "How many valence electrons does the nitrogen atom use to form the bonds between nitrogen and hydrogen in an ammonia molecule?"
 
Well, do you understand the concept of valence electrons and bonding now, or do you still need help? (I'm taking chemistry at the moment too. ;))
 
I still need help with this problem.

I know ammonia is
H
|
H - N - H
|
H

Where the - and | represent single bonds, but don't get the valance electrons stuff
 
No, that is not ammonia. Please check the formula.
 
Oh, here it is:
Struktur_garis_NH3.jpg

So why the answer is 3? (valance)
 
Well, how many valence electrons does the Nitrogen atom have prior to bonding? How about the Hydrogens?
 
Nitrogen has 5 valance before bonding. Hydrogens have 1 each.
 
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Okay. And when each hydrogen bonds to the nitrogen, what happens in that bond? What is each atom doing with its own electrons?
 
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Oh, I get it now. So Nitrogen is sharing 3 electrons, 1 with each hydrogen.
 
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Exactly! Each bond represents a pair of electrons, with one electron given up for sharing by each atom. This leaves 2 of the original 5 valance electrons of Nitrogen left over. They end up being a lone pair, as shown by the two dots at the top of the N in your diagram.
 
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Note that it is "valence", which has nothing to do with the moovie " The man who shot Liberty Valance".
 
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