How much does the radius at the surface of the water increase per inch?

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The problem involves a truncated cone with specified dimensions, where the original poster seeks to determine how the radius at the surface of the water changes as the water level increases in inches. The context is related to geometry and volume calculations, specifically focusing on the relationship between the depth of water and the radius of the surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the radius and the depth of water in the truncated cone, questioning the use of derivatives and the assumptions made regarding the geometry. There is an exploration of how to express the radius as a function of the water depth.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering various perspectives on the original poster's approach. Some have suggested reconsidering the assumptions about the surface and the method of deriving the radius change, while others are probing the relationship between the dimensions of the cone and the water level.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the surface being metal, which relates to the original poster's project involving a solar still. The problem constraints include the fixed dimensions of the truncated cone and the need to find a function that relates the radius to the depth of water.

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Homework Statement


A truncated cone has smaller radius of 5 feet, larger radius of 10 feet, and a depth of 1 foot. Total volume is approximately 183 cubic feet. If I have water in there at x inches how much does the radius at the surface of the water increase per inch?

Homework Equations


f(x) = x^n
f'(x) = nx^(n-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


If I know this then I can just multiply it by the number of inches a particular volume takes up in a truncated cone with a particular smaller radius(in this case 5 feet). I would imagine that this requires me to do this derivative:

$$\frac{dr}{dx} \pi r^2 x |0\leq x\leq 12\, and\, 5 \leq r \leq 10$$

where x is the height from the bottom of the truncated cone to the surface of the water.

However I think the rate of change is constant since the slope of the metal surface is constant so that would require that I take the derivative twice. That would give me the derivative of 2pirx which since everything but the x is a constant relative to the derivative operator would be 1. But it can't change by 1 foot per inch or it would have to have a larger radius of 17 ft.

So what is $$\Delta{r}$$
 
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Radius increases 5 feet in 1 foot. So it increases how much in 1 inch?

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Radius increases 5 feet in 1 foot of depth. Hmm... Kind of a very broad bowl. Ok.

Who says the surface is metal?

Why are you taking derivatives of volumes?

If you are going to do it using volumes and derivatives, you need the volume as a function of x, not as a function of r and x, since you want r as a function of x. So what is r as a function of x? Oh wait, that's the thing you are looking for...
 
Well this is one of the problems related to my solar still so the surface is metal.

the reason I am taking derivatives of volumes is so that I can find $$\Delta{r}$$ since the derivative is the rate of change and that is exactly what I am looking for is the rate of change of the radius for every inch of water.
 
caters said:

Homework Statement


A truncated cone has smaller radius of 5 feet, larger radius of 10 feet, and a depth of 1 foot. Total volume is approximately 183 cubic feet. If I have water in there at x inches how much does the radius at the surface of the water increase per inch?

Homework Equations


f(x) = x^n
f'(x) = nx^(n-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


If I know this then I can just multiply it by the number of inches a particular volume takes up in a truncated cone with a particular smaller radius(in this case 5 feet). I would imagine that this requires me to do this derivative:

$$\frac{dr}{dx} \pi r^2 x |0\leq x\leq 12\, and\, 5 \leq r \leq 10$$

where x is the height from the bottom of the truncated cone to the surface of the water.

However I think the rate of change is constant since the slope of the metal surface is constant so that would require that I take the derivative twice. That would give me the derivative of 2pirx which since everything but the x is a constant relative to the derivative operator would be 1. But it can't change by 1 foot per inch or it would have to have a larger radius of 17 ft.

So what is $$\Delta{r}$$
The problem is asking for the rate of change of the radius of the truncated cone w.r.t. depth. Why do you assume that this is a function of πr2?

You are given three pieces of information about the changing radius:
1. the smaller radius is 5 feet
2. the larger radius is 10 feet
3. the depth of the cone between these radii is 1 foot, or 12 inches.

Can you write a simple function which relates the two radii and the depth of the cone?

Hint: plot the relationship between the three pieces of data given above.
 

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