How much energy does a bicycle diname produces?

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The discussion revolves around the energy output of a bicycle dynamo when the bicycle is traveling at a speed of 10 km/h. Participants are exploring the relationship between the dynamo's energy production, the friction it generates, and the impact on the bicycle's speed.

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  • Participants are attempting to quantify the energy output of a dynamo and its efficiency. Questions about the frictional effects of the dynamo on the bicycle's speed are also raised. Some participants speculate about the feasibility of using multiple dynamos to create a perpetual motion scenario.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the energy dynamics involved, while others question the fundamental principles of thermodynamics in relation to the proposed ideas.

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There are assumptions about the efficiency of the dynamo and the power output of a human cyclist. The discussion also touches on the laws of thermodynamics and the implications of friction in energy transfer.

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So my question is actually really simple.I want to know approximately how much energy does a normal dynamo produce when a bicycle wheel is spinning (at let's say 10 km/h).Please answer me with a number not with a formula because I'm really bad at physics but i just want to test a theory of mine.

P.S: ah.I almost forgot. I want to know what friction does the dynamo make with the wheel.And for my comfort if you could tell me will this friction significantly slow the normal 10km/h and how much exactly ?


Thank you!
 
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Veselin said:
So my question is actually really simple.I want to know approximately how much energy does a normal dynamo produce when a bicycle wheel is spinning (at let's say 10 km/h).Please answer me with a number not with a formula because I'm really bad at physics but i just want to test a theory of mine.

P.S: ah.I almost forgot. I want to know what friction does the dynamo make with the wheel.And for my comfort if you could tell me will this friction significantly slow the normal 10km/h and how much exactly ?


Thank you!
The force required to power the generator depends on the load. Let's assume it is 12 volts and draws one amp. This is 12 watts. If the generator is about 80% efficient, this means it is drawing 15 watts of power from your pedalling.

You would have to figure out how much power a human can generate but I expect it is significantly greater than that - probably 10 times that. The amount you would slow down would be the proportion that 15 watts is of the total power the person can output.


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Well actually I'm wondering if the following is possible. If you put enough dynamos on a bycicle wheel could they produce enough energy to keep the wheel spinning?A kind of a perpetuum mobile maybe?Why shoudn't it be possible when you can put many dynamos?But will the friction be so huge that they couldn't power the engine that has to spin the wheel?
 
Veselin said:
Well actually I'm wondering if the following is possible. If you put enough dynamos on a bycicle wheel could they produce enough energy to keep the wheel spinning?A kind of a perpetuum mobile maybe?Why shoudn't it be possible when you can put many dynamos?But will the friction be so huge that they couldn't power the engine that has to spin the wheel?
You will always have to input more energy than the machines produce. Machines are never perfect so it takes more energy to run them than they can produce. But even with a perfect machine, you could not get MORE energy out than you put in. This is the law of conservation of energy (which is also the first law of thermodynamics).

Furthermore, the human being is a thermodynamic engine. It produces kinetic energy (of the bicycle) by converting heat energy into mechanical work. The second law of thermodynamics says that you cannot convert all of the energy in heat into useable work.

So, in order to produce a perpetual motion machine you will first have to find some way to prove that the laws of physics are wrong: specifically, the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

AM
 
replying to veselin..

once the dynamo produces energy it will be used by the bicycle to move forward plus for rotation..the rotational energy will be used by the dynamo but the translational energy wl b lost into kinetic energy which will further be lost into friction. and plus there shall be internal friction in the machine too..

hence the wheel will stop after some time..
 

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