How much heat can radionuclides in HLNW generate?

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The discussion revolves around the heat generation potential of radionuclides in high-level nuclear waste (HLNW) and the feasibility of utilizing this heat for energy generation. Participants explore the types of radionuclides present, their decay modes, half-lives, and the concept of harnessing decay heat for electricity production.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific radionuclides in the UK's nuclear waste, their decay modes, half-lives, and decay heat generation potential.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the economic viability of using HLNW for energy generation, suggesting that if it were feasible, it would already be implemented.
  • A later reply mentions that the concept has been studied multiple times and concludes that it is too expensive to be practical.
  • One participant provides a breakdown of decay power over time for a typical commercial reactor, indicating that decay heat decreases rapidly after shutdown, with a significant reduction in power output within a few years.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the idea of using decay heat for energy generation has been considered previously and is likely not economically viable. However, there is no consensus on the specifics of radionuclide contributions or the exact feasibility of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific data on the radionuclides present in the UK's nuclear waste and the economic analysis of the proposed energy generation method. The discussion also does not resolve the assumptions regarding the decay heat values and their implications for energy production.

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The united kingdom has a 120 tons of nuclear waste, i have no idea which radionuclides constitute the largest portion, i want to know this. furthermore, if you can find which radionuclide it is, can you please tell me the decay mode it uses, its half life, and if it emits any decay heat. Thank you very much in advance. I know I don't live in the UK, but the UK has the largest civilian reserves for radioactive substances, hence the the reference. I'm thinking of devising a method, where nuclear waste is used to generate surplus energy. you send a highly volatile yet abundant liquid such as dry cleaner fluid or previously heated water ( has a lower boiling point) through a beta or alpha irradiated chamber with radionuclides that produce vast of amounts decay heat, in the range of 200 mega watts. this heated liquid will spin a turbine, generating electricity.
 
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We have some nuclear engineers here who can probably answer the specifics. But my gut tells me that while it's a nice idea, but an obvious one and so if it were economical it would already be done.
 
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We have some nuclear engineers here who can probably answer the specifics. But my gut tells me that while it's a nice idea, but an obvious one and so if it were economical it would already be done.
Hi, thanks for the quick reply, i was also thinking of that, it is a very simple idea indeed, however i have not taken the economical dimensions into my consideration. it would be great to hear back from some nuclear engineers.
 
This has been studied multiple times, and it is too expensive. Nuclear reactors are designed in the GW-range for a good reason, 200 MW thermal (where does that number come from?) wouldn't allow to sell enough electricity to make it worth building a power plant.
 
The decay heat decreases rapidly once the reactor is shut down. For a typical commercial power reactor here's a breakdown showing how the decay power reduces over time. This is the decay power, as a percent of the steady-state operating power of the reactor:

$$\begin{pmatrix}
1 & second & 6.599\\
1 & hour & 1.454\\
1 & day & 0.625\\
1 & month & 0.182\\
1 & year & 0.040\\
3 & year & 0.013
\end{pmatrix}$$
So for a typical 3400 MW core, the decay power 3 years after shutdown is only ~450 kW.
 

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