How Much Heat Does the Range Element Transfer in an Isovolumetric Process?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermal dynamics problem involving an isovolumetric process with a pressure cooker containing water. The internal energy change and energy lost to the surroundings are provided, and the goal is to determine the heat transferred from the range element to the pressure cooker.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the first law of thermodynamics, specifically how to relate internal energy change to heat transfer in an isovolumetric process. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of energy lost to the surroundings in the total heat transferred.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the reasoning behind including the energy lost to the surroundings in the calculation of heat transferred from the range element. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the first law of thermodynamics in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which specifies the conditions of the isovolumetric process and the energy exchanges involved. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the energy lost to the surrounding air.

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Homework Statement



Q = ?
ΔU = + 8.0x10^3
W = perhaps 0 since isovolumetric?
Energy Lost = -2.0x10^3
Mass of Water = 2.0 kg


Homework Equations



I'm stuck on this thermal dynamics problem. It states: "A 2.0 kg quantity of water is held at constant volume in a puressure cooker and is heated by a range elment. The system's interal energy increases by 8.0 x 10^3 J. However, the pressure cooker is not well insulated, and 2.0 x 10^3 J of energy is transferred to the surrounding air. How much energy is trasferred from te range elment to the pressure cooker as heat?"


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that is is an isovolumetric problem, and in my book, that means work is equal to zero. Since 'w' is taken out of the equation, I solved it by Q = 8.0x10^3 J, from ΔU = Q - W. I then subtracted that by 2.0x10^3 J. My answer was completely off. What am I thinking wrong?
 
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Your on the right track. Consider the first law of thermodynamics, which are you correctly state is [itex]\Delta U = Q - W[/itex] and as you correctly say, the process is isochoric [itex]\Rightarrow W = 0[/itex]. So now we have [itex]\Delta U = Q[/itex] where Q is the heat added to the system; this is the heat transferred to the pressure cooker which raised to internal energy. Now, if Q' is the heat transferred from the element is the pressure cooker and the surrounding air, then Q'=Q+2.0x103. Does that make sense?
 
thanks to that, now i have the right answer! but I'm still confused on the last sentence. i don't see why we should include 2.0 x 10^3 J into the transferred heat.
 
interXdragon said:
thanks to that, now i have the right answer! but I'm still confused on the last sentence. i don't see why we should include 2.0 x 10^3 J into the transferred heat.
Okay, you are given that the internal energy of the pressure cooker is increased by [itex]\Delta U[/itex], from the first law of thermodynamics you can calculate that [itex]Q[/itex] joules of heat must be transferred to the pressure cooker from the element (in this case [isochoric] note that [itex]\Delta U = Q[/itex]). Now, the element also supplies 2.0 x 10^3 J to the air so the total heat the element supplies is the sum of those two values.
 

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