How much money is sufficient for you?

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The discussion centers around the financial requirements for living a luxurious life, with various participants sharing their perspectives based on personal experiences and geographic locations. A common theme is the significant variation in living costs depending on where one resides, with some arguing that $10,000 a month is excessive in certain areas, while others find it barely sufficient. Participants reflect on their past experiences living on lower incomes, emphasizing that expenses often inflate with income, leading to a cycle of financial strain regardless of salary increases. The conversation also touches on the challenges of raising children, with one parent expressing concern over their daughter's high spending habits, particularly on food and lifestyle, and the impact of such habits on future financial stability. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of budgeting, the influence of lifestyle choices on financial well-being, and the importance of teaching financial responsibility to the next generation.
  • #91
Kerrie said:
i think her daughter is under age 18 which in America is still considered a child
When I turned 16 and started going to college I had to stand on my own feet, I think most people do around here. But there is a more socialized system here, where the government provides part of the living expenses for students.. like an allowence.
 
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  • #92
Monique said:
Aren't you worried that letting your daughter consume so much will make her prone to putting herself in debt when living on her own?
You'd have to know her to understand that she "gets it". She knows that her ability right now to afford things is a temporary luxury. She'd rather eat at Taco Bell every night and spend $3.99 for the #5 meal deal. I am the one that prefers her to get a decent meal at least once a day. I guess I didn't make that clear. Of course that doesn't always happen, she will eat junk or skip meals, which is why I have a low monthly range of $600.

She does love to buy clothes though. The thing is, if I tell her to stop spending, she does. Honestly she's drastically cut back over the past year.

She's not an airhead that can't understand money or living on a budget. I was more concerned about her older sister that lived with her father. He is an idiot when it comes to money. He has always spent beyond his means, he always buys the most expensive items, eats at lavish restaurants, at one time he had 27 briefcases that cost $600 each on average. He has an entire dresser full of expensive watches, I lost count of them, they're like candy to him. Same thing with sunglasses. He'd buy a $200 pair of non-prescription designer sunglasses, go to lunch, leave them at the restaurant, decide it's not worth his time to go get them and just buy another pair. This happened ALL OF THE TIME. He would do things like buy a cd player (back when they were a couple of hundred dollars), decide he didn't want it and put it in the trash. I got it out of the trash because it hadn't even been taken out of the box yet. He saw me bring it into the house and he got furious, telling me to throw it back out because he didn't want that style, he was going to buy another. I told him to take it back to the store and exchange it. He said that was too much trouble to go through an exchange. I said I'd take it back and we got into a terrible argument.

When I threw him out, he had racked up over $292,000 in CREDIT CARD debt alone, that's more than some people's mortgages. At 18-23% interest, I figured Mars would be colonized before he could pay them off. I told him he needed professional help.

My older daughter learned quickly that when you support yourself you need to have a budget, and she has adapted even though she lived with him for several years. She learned it the hard way, the first couple of months she ran out of money before the end of the month and had no money for food. She also lived for almost a year on ramen noodles. Hey, I love ramen noodles.

My younger daughter that lives with me likes to buy things, but she doesn't have to buy things. She understands budgets and bills. I pay cash for everything, unfortunately you need credit cards for hotels and rental cars.

My younger daughter knows that when she goes off to college, no more shopping. A couple of months ago she came to me with a complete list of her anticipated expenses, she had checked into tuition for the schools she wants to attend, costs of books, boarding, etc... to see if it was acceptable. She's a good kid. I keep telling her that she needs to make LOTS of money when she grows up because she will be supporting me when I get old. :devil: :biggrin:

Monique, your parents let you pay them? Can I adopt you? :biggrin:
 
  • #93
Kerrie said:
i think her daughter is under age 18 which in America is still considered a child, which by law Evo is required to support her as she sees fit :smile:
If she wasn't such a good kid, I wouldn't be as willing. When I see the problems that some of her friends are putting their parents through, I count my blessings. I'd rather let her buy a new pair of shoes than shuck out $50,000 on legal fees like the parents of her best friend, he just can't stay out of trouble. Not to mention the $$$ they spent on that private boarding school they sent him off to thinking it would keep him out of trouble. I'm getting off cheap.

i was raised to eat at home as much as possible too. for example, last night i spent $18.00 on food for this weekend on my husband and i (kids are with their dad this weekend) at Trader Joe's (you got to check them out!). the meals i bought included Ahi Tuna steak, cous cous, salad, new potatoes, chicken tenders, eggs (breakfast), orange juice and veggie chips. we eat very healthy with lots of proteins, veggies and "good" carbs. the time it takes to make this stuff is minimal considering how much money we are saving.
Ooh, Kerrie that sounds good! :approve:
 
  • #94
I believe you that she understands it, but I just think it is that easy to stop a habit like this.

A habit is a habit. Not only is this a habit, it is also an addiction.

i.e. Your ex-husband.

The more you do something, the more prone you become to HAVE to do it.

People learn to spend even though THEY KNOW they can't, but it is an addiction.

In all honesty... if she truly understands the value of a dollar, she would be cooking meals.

NOTE: Someone with a spending problem is not an idiot. It is a problem just like any other.

EDIT: Being addicted to math or physics is no different.
 
  • #95
Evo said:
You'd have to know her to understand that she "gets it".
Yes, I do believe that. It sounds like you did teach her good standards and she knows the value of things.

But important: Make sure she knows exactly how much she is spending and on what, don't let the food and the clothes be a consolation for something missed.
 
  • #96
JasonRox said:
NOTE: Someone with a spending problem is not an idiot. It is a problem just like any other.
He has a problem, but he's also an idiot. Example - He had wiped out my savings account that I had before we got married. I kept telling him we needed to save money, it was important to have savings.

So, one day he comes up to me and hands me a savings account book. I asked him where he got the money to put into the savings. He wrote a credit check off of one of the credit cards (which charged 23% interest) and deposited the money into a savings account (which paid 5% interest). I tried to explain to him that this "savings" account was costing us money. I told him to close the savings account, pay the penalty and pay back the credit card. It would save us money in the long run. He also couldn't balance a check book.

Trust me, he's an idiot.
 
  • #97
Monique said:
When I turned 16 and started going to college I had to stand on my own feet, I think most people do around here. But there is a more socialized system here, where the government provides part of the living expenses for students.. like an allowence.

I think that is common in Europe, right? To start college around 16? In the US, students don't typically start college until they are 17 or 18 (depending on when their birthday is...most are 18).

Monique, I think your experience is something that really doesn't happen as much with the current generation...their parents spoil them a lot more. Even in my generation, it was not as common as is used to be, but when I was growing up, yes, adult children (talk about an oxymoron) living at home with their parents would be expected to pay a small amount toward rent or utility bills. Not really what you'd pay if you were out on your own, but enough to keep you responsible and still let you save up some of your money so you'd be able to afford to move out sooner than later! I'm somewhat apalled nowadays by the number of kids still living home with their parents well into their 20s. Then again, in my generation, we didn't like our parents enough to want to live with them. The biggest incentive to get your act together and find your own place to live was to get out from under your parents' rules. The current generation seems to act more like best friends with their parents.

Evo, will you let me go shopping with your daughter. :biggrin: I actually hate shopping, but the toughest thing about moving up from being a grad student/post-doc to a faculty position was that after all those years of wearing the same old clothes, I needed to buy a LOT of clothes to be more professional in appearance (yes, I know there are plenty of profs who still show up to work in jeans, and I do occassionally myself, but there are a lot more meetings where you need to look professional, and since I'm still young (or at least look that way :biggrin:), if I wear jeans and t-shirts, I still get mistaken for a grad student! Anyway, the point I think I started out making is that, yes, I was able to live on a lower budget previously, but as I increased my salary, and rank, I have additional expenses I didn't have as a student, such as needing to maintain a nicer wardrobe, and I have a house, not a two bedroom apt, so there are more rooms that need furnishing. Even if I still lived in an apt, my old garage sale furniture would have needed replacing because it was becoming wobbly from so many moves. So, it's partly true that as your salary increases, you do usually end up with more expenses to go along with it, but it doesn't need to.
 
  • #98
Moonbear said:
Evo, will you let me go shopping with your daughter.
Certainly. :biggrin:

I don't like shopping either. I want to get in and out of the store as quickly as possible.

Funny, I was spoiled rotten growing up. I never had to ask for anything. My father could only show love with money and I always had the nicest, newest, "everything" of any of my friends. I got a new car on my birthday every year since I turned 16. My father paid all of my expenses for several years after I moved out.

I am a coupon clipping, low budget, low maintenance, do it your selfer. I cannot bring myself to buy expensive clothes or shoes or purses. I think it's a terrible waste of money.

I work with a bunch of clothing snobs. One manager was saying that she didn't hire a woman because she was wearing cheap shoes! These women actually judge people by their shoes and handbags! I had never heard of Joan and David. I know they look down on me because I don't wear designer clothes and I think they're pathetic snobs. I have to wear suits to work, but I look for sales. I tend to shop at the end of season when everything is clearance priced.
 
  • #99
Evo said:
She's going to Switzerland in January.

Might I ask what area she is going to? And is she visiting Switzerland as an exchange student? Just curious :rolleyes:
 
  • #100
SergejVictorov said:
Might I ask what area she is going to? And is she visiting Switzerland as an exchange student? Just curious :rolleyes:
She will be staying with friend's of her father's that live on a lake on the Swiss side, the other side of the lake is France. It sounds like Lake Geneva. I don't have all the details yet. She's going on break from school, she will also travel through France and Italy.

Her father is sending her, which is why I don't know exactly where she is going yet.
 
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  • #101
Yes, it's most likely Lake Geneva. It's a very nice place to stay. And since this thread is about money, I have to say that it's also pretty expensive, but this applies to almost every place in Switzerland to be honest :smile:
 
  • #102
I would love to go to Switzerland. Perhaps someday in the near future. I love mountians. :smile:
 
  • #103
Evo said:
For me, with a teenage daughter, in the midwest, $10,000 a month average net take home pay just barely cuts it. Ok, she's spoiled. She's going to Switzerland in January. She has a much grander lifestyle than I do. :rolleyes:

But yesterday I told her I was cold (the weather is getting chilly) and she bought me a bunch of incredible warm clothes (from her own earnings) so I would be comfortable. :approve:


Thats $120,000 a year. If that barely cuts it in the midwest, you have some spending priority issues, or a massive amount of personal debt to pay off. Sending your kid to switzerland? That is not barely cutting it.
 
  • #104
Evo said:
I work with a bunch of clothing snobs. One manager was saying that she didn't hire a woman because she was wearing cheap shoes! These women actually judge people by their shoes and handbags!

:eek: Did you tell them that if they were wearing cheap shoes, maybe they really were the one who needed the job? How can you tell anyway? Shoes are shoes. Besides, the fancier the shoes, the less comfortable they are. Bah, I can do without that!

I had never heard of Joan and David.

:rolleyes: :confused: I guess I haven't either. Who are Joan and David?

I know they look down on me because I don't wear designer clothes and I think they're pathetic snobs. I have to wear suits to work, but I look for sales. I tend to shop at the end of season when everything is clearance priced.

Unless you're working in the fashion industry, that just makes no sense to expect people to wear designer clothing to work. In men's suits, I can reasonably tell there is a difference between certain brands...a cheap suit is obvious, so I can see getting one or two of the better suits for those really important business meetings. But, with women's suits, honestly, I don't see much difference in quality whether I pick up something off the rack at JC Penneys or walk into some boutique shop, etc. Besides, when it comes to womens' suits, those name brand ones look like old lady suits to me...those stuffy looking things wives of politicians wear. Save the fashion show for parties and keep business attire business-like. The most important quality in a suit, for me, is wrinkle-resistant!
 
  • #105
Moonbear said:
:rolleyes: :confused: I guess I haven't either. Who are Joan and David?
Overpriced shoes for snobs. I don't even recognize the names of the designer shoes and purses these women talk about.

The most important quality in a suit, for me, is wrinkle-resistant!
I would love them to be machine washable! :biggrin:
 
  • #106
SergejVictorov, Switzerland is, like, my dream country. :biggrin: How's life over there?
 
  • #107
franznietzsche said:
Thats $120,000 a year. If that barely cuts it in the midwest, you have some spending priority issues, or a massive amount of personal debt to pay off. Sending your kid to switzerland? That is not barely cutting it.

i have to agree that $120K is a nice salary. my husband and i live on half that.
 
  • #108
Kerrie said:
i have to agree that $120K is a nice salary. my husband and i live on half that.
But you're half my age. :wink:

It's not what it's cracked up to be. There are also obligations with my job to contribute to charity. We also sponsor needy families in the area.

I voluntarily contribute to animal rescue.

I am required to "chip in" to events at work. I'm management and we have to provide for the non-management people that work for us. I just got an e-mail yesterday reminding me I need to send in my money for the Thanksgiving party we pay for, for the occupational (non-management) people. I'm talking about a LARGE number of people, this is a large office.

I have to buy gifts all of the time for the people that work under me as a "thank you".

I have clients that I have to take out to eat and buy gifts for. The company no longer pays for this, but my clients make me money and expect it.

It seems like every time I turn around someone has their hand out for money.

If you've ever seen "The Money Pit" with Tom Hanks, that's my house. :frown: I pay more per month in repairs than my mortgage payment. I'm slowly and painfully replacing every square inch of this HELL HOLE.
 
  • #109
Kerrie said:
i think her daughter is under age 18 which in America is still considered a child, which by law Evo is required to support her as she sees fit :smile: . if she was say 21 and not going to school, then it might be more usual for her daughter to compensate her for food and utilities. i do admire Evo's devotion to supporting her daughter and ensuring she has it good. i think as long as her daughter understands and appreciates what she has (because i do believe many youths her age do not have it this well) she won't take it for granted and expect this lifestyle to be a standard.

i was raised to eat at home as much as possible too. for example, last night i spent $18.00 on food for this weekend on my husband and i (kids are with their dad this weekend) at Trader Joe's (you got to check them out!). the meals i bought included Ahi Tuna steak, cous cous, salad, new potatoes, chicken tenders, eggs (breakfast), orange juice and veggie chips. we eat very healthy with lots of proteins, veggies and "good" carbs. the time it takes to make this stuff is minimal considering how much money we are saving.

Trader joes isn't meant to be a full service grocery store (though some use it that way) it's a speciality store that carries mostly imported food, and is thusly a little more expensive than the typical grocery store. That said I like the place- I go there occasionally to pick up some things..

Oh and I spend about $200/month on groceries. I eat really well. Fish, steak, regular food..
 
  • #110
Evo said:
But you're half my age. :wink:

evo, i will be 32 next month, are you actually 64??
 
  • #111
Kerrie said:
evo, i will be 32 next month, are you actually 64??
You look 18! :biggrin:
 
  • #112
Kerrie said:
i have to agree that $120K is a nice salary. my husband and i live on half that.

I had better be able to live on just $60k, because i doubt i will be making more than that, being a physics major who plans on doing doctoral work in theoretical astrophysics, so if I'm making more then $60k, then the government decided they really wanted some astrophysicists to build their next big bomb. Although T division at Los Alamos would be really frickin cool.
 
  • #113
franznietzsche said:
I had better be able to live on just $60k, because i doubt i will be making more than that, being a physics major who plans on doing doctoral work in theoretical astrophysics, so if I'm making more then $60k, then the government decided they really wanted some astrophysicists to build their next big bomb. Although T division at Los Alamos would be really frickin cool.

um, my husband and i earn that jointly, not each.

You look 18!

yes, i always am proud to show off my ID when i buy alcohol :smile:
 
  • #114
Kerrie said:
um, my husband and i earn that jointly, not each.

Well i figure post doc position from what i have heard are usually $20k per year, more in high cost of living areas though I'm sure. I imagine for a proffesorship without tenure/ research post $35k-$45k depending on the institution, with tenure 45k-60k depending on the institution. ANd actually could anyone here give more accurate figures? I would actually be interested in knowing.

My comment about having to live on that much was partly sardonic, because i know full well that i don't need that much to live just me. With a family though, then i obviously have to question the viability of a post doc salary. I want enough for my wife to not have to work unless she wants to, not for money, but because its what she wants to do.
 
  • #115
franznietzsche said:
Well i figure post doc position from what i have heard are usually $20k per year, more in high cost of living areas though I'm sure. I imagine for a proffesorship without tenure/ research post $35k-$45k depending on the institution, with tenure 45k-60k depending on the institution. ANd actually could anyone here give more accurate figures? I would actually be interested in knowing.

My comment about having to live on that much was partly sardonic, because i know full well that i don't need that much to live just me. With a family though, then i obviously have to question the viability of a post doc salary. I want enough for my wife to not have to work unless she wants to, not for money, but because its what she wants to do.

it all depends on the area you live in too...where i live, the cost of living is a little high. 60K affords us a decent frugal life plus i help support my two kids. i don't own a home (yet), but certainly don't have to live in the hood either. gas here is extremely high compared to the rest of the country also. considering $10/hr = $21K a year, you may realize that 60K isn't that much for two people to live on and helping support two young kids.
 
  • #116
Kerrie said:
it all depends on the area you live in too...where i live, the cost of living is a little high. 60K affords us a decent frugal life plus i help support my two kids. i don't own a home (yet), but certainly don't have to live in the hood either. gas here is extremely high compared to the rest of the country also. considering $10/hr = $21K a year, you may realize that 60K isn't that much for two people to live on and helping support two young kids.

Where I live the average household income is $80K.. I am not rich- trust me :cry:
 
  • #117
devious_ said:
SergejVictorov, Switzerland is, like, my dream country. :biggrin: How's life over there?

Well, I must say I can't complain about life over here. For young people, finding a good job without degree can be difficult. Also, living costs are said to be very high. You can have a hard time finding a nice apartment with 4 rooms for less than 1200$ a month. Decent restaurants are also expensive so eating out is not usual, at least for me. A mansion near a lake can be worth several million $.

I must say though that the educational system and the health system are very good. The weather in my area is good too. In summer, we sometimes have up to 38°C (100°F). In winter, it's usually cold, but usually not below -10°C (14°F). Up in the mountains, everything is different and in certain areas it can be really cold.

You don't have to own a car in Switzerland unless you live in a very remote area (which is very unlikely because it's a tiny country) or you are lazy. Public transportation is very good and gets you almost everywhere. Bicycles are very common, too. Unfortunately, few people realize that a car is a lot slower than the train. The situation on the roads is a big issue here.

I've attached a picture that shows the view from my room. The view is pretty good. Unfortunately, new houses (especially condominium blocks) are being built on every small spot that is still untilled so finding a house with a good view is slowly becoming a very difficult thing.
 

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  • #118
Here in Spain, a 2500 € is a good month salary to live in peace, without worries I think. (1 € = 1.25 $USD).
 
  • #119
For real, ten billion dollars is what i'd be satisfied with. It seems that the people who have that much money now like to destroy the enviornment, disrupt democratic process, etc. I want to make that much because i'd do the opposite with it...
to be 'satisfied' with less would be unfair to my true potential

so before you just delete out my post, ask me why
 
  • #120
franznietzsche said:
Well i figure post doc position from what i have heard are usually $20k per year, more in high cost of living areas though I'm sure. I imagine for a proffesorship without tenure/ research post $35k-$45k depending on the institution, with tenure 45k-60k depending on the institution. ANd actually could anyone here give more accurate figures? I would actually be interested in knowing.

Post doc positions pay anywhere from 25K (small university group) to 50K (National Lab/Industry PostDoc). A typical number, however, is closer to 30K.

Median Physics salaries in a typical university are about (2003/04):

Assistant Prof : 60K
Associate Prof : 65K
Tenured Prof : 85K

I know some tenured Professors that make easily over 100K - they're the big shots.

I read this recently, perhaps off the AIP website (aip.org), you could check that out - they may have more specific data than I'm giving you.
 
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