How much visible light is emitted by a 100 W tungsten light bulb?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the percentage of visible light emitted by a 100 W tungsten light bulb, treating the filament as a black body. Participants are exploring the relationship between the filament's temperature, its effective area, and the spectral energy distribution of emitted light.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using Wien's displacement law to determine the wavelength of light emitted and question how to calculate the percentage of energy in the visible spectrum. Some suggest plotting the spectral energy density function and integrating over the visible range. Others consider deriving the filament's temperature from the power output and effective area using the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants providing insights into relevant equations and concepts. While no consensus has been reached, guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the significance of the filament's temperature.

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Participants note the effective area of the filament and the operating temperature of typical incandescent bulbs, which is assumed to be around 3000K. There is also mention of the emissivity of tungsten, which may affect calculations.

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Homework Statement


Assume that the tungsten filament of an incandescent 100 W light bulb can be considered as a black body.
Estimate the percentage of the irradiated energy in the visible spectra.
The effective area of the filament is 100 mm^2.
There are 3 more questions in the exercise that I'll try to do on my own.

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Not even sure.

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What I really think I need is the expression of the function u(\lambda ) that we can see in the picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiens_law.svg.
Otherwise than this, I've attempted to use Wien's displacement law to see what wavelength of light is most created by the filament. But it's not a good idea, I couldn't even make a percentage guess. For instance if I get a wavelength of the kilometer order (I know I should get infrared which is somehow shorter), I'd have no idea about what would be the percentage of energy irradiated in the visible spectra. I'm just out of ideas. I'd like to listen to you guys, what would you do?
 
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The spectral energy density: u(\lambda,T)=\frac{8\pi hc}{\lambda^5}\frac{1}{exp(\frac{hc}{\lambda k_BT})-1}
A typical incandescent light bulb has operating temperature of about 3000K. So one unknown is known :biggrin:
The visible spectrum is very narrow, i.e. from 400nm to 750nm. If you plot the function u on this interval, you will see that it's nearly a straight line. So the power of visible radiation emitted is:
P_{visible}=\int^{\lambda_{red}}_{\lambda_{blue}}Au(\lambda,T)d\lambda \approx A\frac{u(\lambda_{red})+u(\lambda_{blue})}{2}(\lambda_{red}-\lambda_{blue})
 
hikaru1221 said:
The spectral energy density: u(\lambda,T)=\frac{8\pi hc}{\lambda^5}\frac{1}{exp(\frac{hc}{\lambda k_BT})-1}
A typical incandescent light bulb has operating temperature of about 3000K. So one unknown is known :biggrin:
The visible spectrum is very narrow, i.e. from 400nm to 750nm. If you plot the function u on this interval, you will see that it's nearly a straight line. So the power of visible radiation emitted is:
P_{visible}=\int^{\lambda_{red}}_{\lambda_{blue}}Au(\lambda,T)d\lambda \approx A\frac{u(\lambda_{red})+u(\lambda_{blue})}{2}(\lambda_{red}-\lambda_{blue})
Thank you very much. Your function u reminded me of Plank's law, so I found in wikipedia your expression: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law#Overview.
I'll try to finish the exercise tomorrow, right now I'm going to bed.
Out of curiosity, you gave me an extra information, namely that the filament is at 3000K. But, shouldn't I derive it say by using the fact that it's a 100 W light bulb and that the effective area of the filament is 100 mm^2?
 
fluidistic said:
Thank you very much. Your function u reminded me of Plank's law, so I found in wikipedia your expression: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law#Overview.
I'll try to finish the exercise tomorrow, right now I'm going to bed.
Out of curiosity, you gave me an extra information, namely that the filament is at 3000K. But, shouldn't I derive it say by using the fact that it's a 100 W light bulb and that the effective area of the filament is 100 mm^2?

I would look at the Stefan–Boltzmann law. You've got 100W coming out of the area of the filament. Doesn't that let you estimate its temperature?
 
fluidistic said:
Out of curiosity, you gave me an extra information, namely that the filament is at 3000K. But, shouldn't I derive it say by using the fact that it's a 100 W light bulb and that the effective area of the filament is 100 mm^2?

Thanks. Now you remind me of Stephan-Boltzmann law :biggrin: The first thing coming to my mind was an actual light bulb, so I used the 3000K temperature to estimate. Using Stephan-Boltzmann law would be more theoretically accurate, so I encourage you to apply the law :smile:
By the way, I didn't expect the theoretical temperature to be just 2000K (calculate and you will see it). Quite a big difference from practice.

P.S: That big difference is true. From this page: emissivity of tungsten aged filament is from 0.032 to 0.35, quite low but possible for metal.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/emissivity-coefficients-d_447.html
 

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