What is the Rate of Tungsten Evaporation in a Light Bulb?

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The discussion revolves around the evaporation rate of tungsten in a light bulb filament, focusing on the energy dynamics involved in the evaporation process and the resulting changes in the filament's thickness over time. The problem is situated within the context of thermodynamics and material science.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to relate the number of bonds in a volume of tungsten to the energy required for evaporation. Questions arise about the relationship between the volume of tungsten and the energy needed to break bonds, as well as how to model the thickness of the filament over time. There is also discussion on whether to consider surface area in the evaporation process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem. Some have provided initial thoughts on how to approach parts of the problem, while others express uncertainty about the best way to formulate the thickness equation and the implications of evaporation dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the evaporation occurs from the surface of the tungsten wire, which may influence how they model the problem. There is also mention of assumptions regarding constant temperature and the fraction of energy used for breaking bonds.

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Homework Statement


Ina light bulb, billions of electrons flow through the tungsten wire bumping around, causing the filament to glow hot. Hot tungsten evaporates slowly, so its initial thickness profile r(x, t=0) can change over time. Consider a volume V of tungsten, with N bonds total, each requiring energy E to break. We will (rather incorrectly) assume that a constant fraction f of electric power is spent on breaking these bonds, and the remaining (1-f) is spent to heat and illuminate. We will also assume that the temperature remains constant.

a. How much energy must be spent to evaporate a volume dV?
b. As the wire evaporates over time, does the current increase or decrease? Is there anything in this system that remains constant?
c. Derive an equation governing the thickness r(x, t) of the tungsten wire as a function of position and time. Don't assume that the thickness is uniform.
d. Assume now that the thickness r(x, t) has no x dependence (i.e. we start with a perfectly cylindrical wire). Solver for r(t).
e. plot, and discuss your results

notes:
Since the evaporation happens from the surface, you might find it helpful to think in terms of n = number of bonds per area, instead of number of bonds per volume. It's perfectly ok if you write your answer in terms of n, instead of number of bonds per volume.

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Not that I know of

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Don't even know how to start with this problem
 
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tdog123 said:
Don't even know how to start with this problem
Take it one step at a time. a. is quite easy. If a volume V has N bonds, how many does a volume dV have? How much energy to break them all?
 
dN? so I need to create a function which relates N to dt? Okay so would that look something like fPt? or do I need to relate it to surface area because it evaporates from the outside in?
 
tdog123 said:
dN? so I need to create a function which relates N to dt? Okay so would that look something like fPt? or do I need to relate it to surface area because it evaporates from the outside in?
No, the answer to the first of my two questions only involves the three variables provided, V, N, and dV.
 
In a volume dV there are (N/V)dV bonds. So it takes (N/V)dV*E energy to break them
 
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What about the thickness equation though? I think that's the hardest part.
 
limeset said:
What about the thickness equation though? I think that's the hardest part.
Sure, but you need an answer to b first.
 

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