How Much Weight Can the Crane Safely Lift Without Tipping Over?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a crane's stability and the maximum weight it can lift without tipping over. The problem includes a crane model with specified masses for the base and boom, and it requires determining the weight of a ball that can be safely lifted.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the center of mass and its implications for stability. There are questions about the correct setup of equations and whether to consider the center of mass of the crane components collectively or separately. Some participants explore different reference points for their calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts at solving the problem and questioning their methods. Some guidance has been provided regarding the setup of equations, and there is acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations. Multiple approaches are being explored without a clear consensus on the correct method yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including specific masses and the requirement that the center of mass must remain within the support base for stability. There is also a focus on ensuring consistent reference points in calculations.

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The figure above is a simple model of a crane. The base has a mass of 2000kg, and the boom has a mass of 200kg. What is the maximum mass of the ball if the crane is not to tip over? Note, in order for the crane to be stable, its center of mass cannot be outside the support base.


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What do I already know?

m1 (base) = 2000 kg.
x1 = 1 m

m2 (boom) = 200 kg.
x2 = L/2 + 1m
= (6xcos70)/2 + 1 = 2.026 (I do not know if this is right?)

m3 (weight of ball) = ?
x3 = length of boom (2.052m + 1m) = 3.05 (Am I right?)

SumCMx = (m1x1 + m2x2 + m3x3)/ m1 + m2 + m3

This is where I am getting stuck. Are we to assume that the three CM should be added together to equal zero of should the base be on the left side of the equation and the boom and weight be on the right side to solve for m3?
 
hi lightonahill7! welcome to pf! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
lightonahill7 said:
SumCMx = (m1x1 + m2x2 + m3x3)/ m1 + m2 + m3

This is where I am getting stuck. Are we to assume that the three CM should be added together to equal zero of should the base be on the left side of the equation and the boom and weight be on the right side to solve for m3?

yes, everything's fine up to there :smile:

that's the x-coordinate of the centre of mass, so you now need to find when it equals 2 (that's where it's just about to topple)

(btw, it would have been easier to measure everything either from the centre of the base or from the right-hand corner of the base (instead of the left-hand corner), wouldn't it? :wink:)
 
I have worked the problem two different ways, the first placing the origin for the x coordinate on the left side of the base, and the second, placing the origin at the right corner of the base.

In the first problem I would set my equation equal to two, in the second I set it equal to zero. This is what I came up with:

\sumCM = (2000(1) + 200(2.026) = (3.052)M3)/ 2000 + 200 + M3

2(2200 + M3) = 2000 + 405.2 + 3.05M3

1994.8 = 1.05M3

M3= 1899.80 kg

Second situation

0 = 2000(-1) + 200(0.26) + 1.052M3

0 = -1948 + 1.052M3

M3 = 1851.71 kg.

I know I should get the same answer regardless of my reference point as long as I put in all the measurements correctly. Please see where I may be going wrong. Thanks
 
hi lightonahill7! :smile:
lightonahill7 said:
200(0.26)

erm :redface: … 0.026 ! :wink:
 
Brilliant! - thanks for finding that error.
 

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